Moto 1

[CHOPPA]

Now that im building a bucket you guys are gonna have to put up with all my threads like the racing forum has for the last couple of years...

It was Sketchys idea but I thought it was good and that was to have a Moto 1 class that allows standard up to 85cc engines with the only exception being a different pipe. They only make around 20ish HP atw so they wouldnt be faster then whats out there now.

The good things about it is that young MX kids could chuck some slicks on and race around but also you could have a fast competitive engine that you can easily pick up parts for. I was just talking to a young budding road racer on sunday and he would like to bucket race his KTM85. An 85cc engine in a RS125 would be a great bike

This has prob been discussed before and there are good reasons why not but im at home sick today so im bored

[richban]

Now that im building a bucket you guys are gonna have to put up with all my threads like the racing forum has for the last couple of years...

It was Sketchys idea but I thought it was good and that was to have a Moto 1 class that allows standard up to 85cc engines with the only exception being a different pipe. They only make around 20ish HP atw so they wouldnt be faster then whats out there now.

The good things about it is that young MX kids could chuck some slicks on and race around but also you could have a fast competitive engine that you can easily pick up parts for. I was just talking to a young budding road racer on sunday and he would like to bucket race his KTM85. An 85cc engine in a RS125 would be a great bike

This has prob been discussed before and there are good reasons why not but im at home sick today so im bored

I reckon its a good idea. I almost moved to the US last year and looked into how they were doing things in Portland. Very similar to what you suggest. Heaps of young kids on CRF150r dirt bikes with slicks. Then you also get the worked engines in RS frames etc. Kart tracks as well. Check the photos and rules. They do cater for everyone. Lots of Motards but all sorts of racing going on. http://www.oregonsuperbikers.com/photos

People might not agree but maybe its time bucket racing had a shake up, to keep inline with the Aussie's and the US. You will still get people making mad engines but you might also get a shit load of new racers.

[quallman1234]

I guess at the end of the day, if you get a couple of riders then it could catch on.
You might want to get approval from fishie first.

[richban]

You might want to get approval from fishie first.

I think you would want to change the rules first.
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[CHOPPA]

I think you would want to change the rules first.
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210cc air cooled 4 stroke ....Unlimited Mods
150cc water cooled 4 stroke ....Unlimited Mods
125 Aircooled 2 strokes Unlimited Mods.

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Less rules would make less problems, sorta like the F1 vs Superbike argument.

I guess the whole thing with buckets is the building of engines and thats what people like, if you could fit a standard small capacity competition engine im sure it would make things much easier to get into for the non mechanically minded.

Problem I see is that the guys that make up the backbone of the classes have put in thousands of hours into there engines within the rules and if a new class came in then it may make them feel there bikes are not competitive so they will oppose a rule change but if the rules were relaxed at the club racing rounds then it may encourange people to get started.

In club rounds we run F1 so its no rules basically. You could turn up on a MotoGP bike and race, not so for the nats because its production superbike

[Tard]

I think you would want to change the rules first.
105cc water Cooled 2 stroke...Unlimited Mods
210cc air cooled 4 stroke ....Unlimited Mods
150cc water cooled 4 stroke ....Unlimited Mods
125 Aircooled 2 strokes Unlimited Mods.

Chassis choice is open. Fun times.

Starting point would be what 'standard' engines/parts are going to be available going forward e.g. shiteload available now?
Some of the older engines etc are getting harder to find parts for...or so I'm told?
Be bit of a **** up if any changes made it harder/more expensive to get into?

[Tard]

Fixed it up for you Rich...

I reckon its a good idea....BIG kids on CRF150r dirt bikes with slicks. You will still get people making mad engines but you might also get a shit load of new racers.

...and yeah, I agree, it'd be all good

[F5 Dave]

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People might not agree but maybe its time bucket racing had a shake up, to keep inline with the Aussie's and the US. You will still get people making mad engines but you might also get a shit load of new racers.

I doubt it will attract more riders than currently can be attracted. In fact one of the big attractions is that it is cheap. An FXR for a k will get you going & with talent & some wider wheels pretty near the pointy end. From there you decide how to spend or build.

We don't have the money in NZ like Aus have for expanding the classes. We don't want to make current bikes obsolete. That 20hp will come with a decent spread of power & then how does one police how std the barrels are?

[richban]

Problem I see is that the guys that make up the backbone of the classes have put in thousands of hours into there engines within the rules and if a new class came in then it may make them feel there bikes are not competitive so they will oppose a rule change but if the rules were relaxed at the club racing rounds then it may encourange people to get started.

In club rounds we run F1 so its no rules basically. You could turn up on a MotoGP bike and race, not so for the nats because its production superbike

Hummm it is a tricky one. There are a lot of people that like playing with engines and have invested a lot of time. But also a lot of people that want to race hard. Always hard to please everyone so yeah club level discretion is maybe the way to go. I used to race my 190 vespa until I could sort a proper bike. I think the main thing is getting young riders on track. In the last year in wellington we have defiantly seen an increase in younger riders thanks to the work of Fishie and others. Its great to have people like yourself and Sketchy around at buckets to encourage more bums on seats.

If people turn up and show interest they usually get a ride on something.

[richban]

I doubt it will attract more riders than currently can be attracted. In fact one of the big attractions is that it is cheap. An FXR for a k will get you going & with talent & some wider wheels pretty near the pointy end. From there you decide how to spend or build.

We don't have the money in NZ like Aus have for expanding the classes. We don't want to make current bikes obsolete. That 20hp will come with a decent spread of power & then how does one police how std the barrels are?

Agreed. Me just taking the piss really. Small pond and all that. Obsolete is a matter of opinion. So does a 30hp 2 stroke engine in an rs125 chassis make all the 20hp old steel framed commuters obsolete? That will depend on who is riding them me thinks. One man's obsolete is another mans pride and joy. There is plenty of progression left with the current rules me thinks. Lots of new learner bikes coming out that will end up as buckets as time goes on.

[Mental Trousers]

I doubt it will attract more riders than currently can be attracted. In fact one of the big attractions is that it is cheap. An FXR for a k will get you going & with talent & some wider wheels pretty near the pointy end. From there you decide how to spend or build.

We don't have the money in NZ like Aus have for expanding the classes. We don't want to make current bikes obsolete. That 20hp will come with a decent spread of power & then how does one police how std the barrels are?

I think what Choppa is looking at is encouraging kids to cross over from MX, using the same bike but with slicks on. Essentially a mini-motard type setup.

MX attracts a hell of a lot of kids/families and giving them an easy and cheap way to cross over has got to be a good thing.

[jasonu]

I doubt it will attract more riders than currently can be attracted. In fact one of the big attractions is that it is cheap. An FXR for a k will get you going & with talent & some wider wheels pretty near the pointy end. From there you decide how to spend or build.

We don't have the money in NZ like Aus have for expanding the classes. We don't want to make current bikes obsolete. That 20hp will come with a decent spread of power & then how does one police how std the barrels are?

Agreed

Hummm it is a tricky one. There are a lot of people that like playing with engines and have invested a lot of time. But also a lot of people that want to race hard. Always hard to please everyone so yeah club level discretion is maybe the way to go. I used to race my 190 vespa until I could sort a proper bike. I think the main thing is getting young riders on track. In the last year in wellington we have defiantly seen an increase in younger riders thanks to the work of Fishie and others. Its great to have people like yourself and Sketchy around at buckets to encourage more bums on seats.

If people turn up and show interest they usually get a ride on something.

IMO it would have to be the same rules countrywide. No good if you take your bike to another track only to find out it is not legal. A prime example of that would be the upcoming GP at Taupo.

We discussed the 80/85cc MX engine class a long time ago when Buckets was struggleing. These days with big entry numbers would there be time to run another class without reducing track time for the existing classes.

[richban]

Agreed



IMO it would have to be the same rules countrywide. No good if you take your bike to another track only to find out it is not legal. A prime example of that would be the upcoming GP at Taupo.

We discussed the 80/85cc MX engine class a long tim ago when Buckets was struggleing. These days with big entry numbers would there be time to run another class without reducing track time for the existing classes.

When people turn up and want to race on bike that's not to illegal. They are generally told yeah sure mate have a go. Your bike don't fit with the rules but when you get hooked you can get a proper one. Seems to work ok. The GP is a bad example as it only happens once a year. Club level is once a month. All year.

[quallman1234]

I think you would want to change the rules first.
105cc water Cooled 2 stroke...Unlimited Mods
210cc air cooled 4 stroke ....Unlimited Mods
150cc water cooled 4 stroke ....Unlimited Mods
125 Aircooled 2 strokes Unlimited Mods.

Chassis choice is open.

Fun times.

I assume that he is already building one out of a CRM80, which is questionably legal. Might want to get fishies approval if he was to turn up on a CR80 based bucket was my point

[richban]

I assume that he is already building one out of a CRM80, which is questionably legal. Might want to get fishies approval if he was to turn up on a CR80 based bucket was my point.

I see. Got yah.