Moto 1

[Moooools]

Great idea Chop.

Kind of hard to police how stock any bike is they are, but you could leave it as:

Engine must be in stock frame with stock swing arm.
Suspension open.
Wheels Open.
Brakes Open.
Compulsory MX bars.
Compulsary MX body work.

Last two seem a bit superfluous but would keep it motard style and the riding style closer between racers.

Those 'real racers' are always talking about getting the MX kids across to road racing...

[jasonu]

When people turn up and want to race on bike that's not to illegal. They are generally told yeah sure mate have a go. Your bike don't fit with the rules but when you get hooked you can get a proper one. Seems to work ok. The GP is a bad example as it only happens once a year. Club level is once a month. All year.

If you use your example of the occasional guy showing up on something not within the rules just to have a go then as long as that doesn't affect the outcome of a points series then no probs. But if guys start showing up regularly on (for example) MX bikes then I would be against that as it promotes a 'stuff the rules' attitude and you wouldn't get away with it in 'proper' classes.

[Henk]

The other thing to consider with going for different or more powerful engines and possibly heavier bikes is how the kart clubs feel about having these bikes on their tracks. They are quite protective of the surfaces. Might not bean issue but should be considered

[bogan]

Sliding scale of tyre size vs engine type/size/work, essentially the more hp you get, the smaller rear tyre you have to run! That would make for some interesting racing

edit: pun intended with the sliding scale bit too

[Moooools]

The other consideration if you want MX kids to race is age restrictions.

Like at what age are the actually racing these bikes? Given that the current limit is 13 there may have to be some adaptation.

[quallman1234]

MX85 bikes in a motard class would be kinda cool, but i think the kart club would like wtf? Where as you can get away with adding 85's in a road frame without really seeing a increase in speed or change in looks.
It would certainly be a way to easily have a decent pace and a good training platform for bigger bikes, i know sketchy has being thinking about doing this for a while now.
There's also the added advantage of matching the rules of Ausie and USA more closely. Though i doubt anyone would go and race over there, there is the ability to import a race bike (reasonably cheap for the quality you get) or two if you happen to have access to a spare container coming anyway. Which from time to time people do have.

[Moooools]

Remember that wellington (I think) is the exception here. Most buckets are running on separate days to karts around the country.
I can't see them having too much of a problem with going down in capacity and weight, plus getting some money in the bank.
With any luck wellington might have enough regular riders for separate meetings in a few years time.

[gav]

Interesting idea, certainly in Aus they seem popular but they also have Moriwaki 80's and Metrakits as well. Can't see it working too well down here in the South Island. Buckets don't run there own race meets so bit tricky running a seperate class for them. If you have youngsters running a 85cc MX bike on slicks, what happens when they try using MX techniques, leg out, squaring off corners etc mixed in with the bucket class? Imagine the carnage running on full circuit at Ruapuna, lil two strokes seizing all over the place, cooked discs and no brakes?

[Str8 Jacket]

I was having a bit of a think about this today. Was initially against it but there are a few things that could work, especially down here in Welly's where we do not run under MNZ..... It would mean getting the Kart Club on board to have an effective 'c' grade. We may also be able to invite and tempt the kart kids.... It would be a bit of work to set up but buggar all with willing and keen people behind it. I for one would be happy to be involved in helping set something like this up in Welly's.
I am really keen on getting young people involved in road racing and it's ideas like this that may actually help build the class. We trial it for a season and then approach MNZ about it, or not. I would be happy to assist the kids in understanding the basics of racing like flags and other basic track etiquette and you fast buggars can help them with their riding.

I think that this idea has some merit if we can get a core group to discuss and then look at approaching the Kart Club. If we don't try how do we know if it's going to work or not....

[CHOPPA]

I was having a bit of a think about this today. Was initially against it but there are a few things that could work, especially down here in Welly's where we do not run under MNZ..... It would mean getting the Kart Club on board to have an effective 'c' grade. We may also be able to invite and tempt the kart kids.... It would be a bit of work to set up but buggar all with willing and keen people behind it. I for one would be happy to be involved in helping set something like this up in Welly's.
I am really keen on getting young people involved in road racing and it's ideas like this that may actually help build the class. We trial it for a season and then approach MNZ about it, or not. I would be happy to assist the kids in understanding the basics of racing like flags and other basic track etiquette and you fast buggars can help them with their riding.

I think that this idea has some merit if we can get a core group to discuss and then look at approaching the Kart Club. If we don't try how do we know if it's going to work or not....

The guy that I was supposed to be picking up the CRM off this weekend just told me its no longer going which could mean anything. Bucket racing for me is more about going out on a weekday and doing some 20 min motos for fitness instead of doing MX, I will prob turn up to some club days but im really considering just slotting a cr85 engine in. There are a few kids I know that would like to have a blast to see what they think about road racing.

If I make one and I cant race it I dont mind but from my research they are about 15hp at the wheel so its hardly gonna be a rocket ship just easy to build and maintain

[richban]

The guy that I was supposed to be picking up the CRM off this weekend just told me its no longer going which could mean anything. Bucket racing for me is more about going out on a weekday and doing some 20 min motos for fitness instead of doing MX, I will prob turn up to some club days but im really considering just slotting a cr85 engine in. There are a few kids I know that would like to have a blast to see what they think about road racing.

If I make one and I cant race it I dont mind but from my research they are about 15hp at the wheel so its hardly gonna be a rocket ship just easy to build and maintain

There are fuck all rules really. Just make a legal bucket like everyone else. Then when you get sick of it the kid you sell it too has no issuse when he wants to race at another club event.

[CHOPPA]

There are fuck all rules really. Just make a legal bucket like everyone else. Then when you get sick of it the kid you sell it too has no issuse when he wants to race at another club event.

Thats the goal, hey whats the rules for the kart track and testing and practice?

[Moooools]

Thats the goal, hey whats the rules for the kart track and testing and practice?

Non-Club Day Practice
You may not drive a kart without another person present. This other person must be capable of obtaining or giving assistance in the event of an accident. Practice sessions are for a maximum of 15 minutes if another kart is waiting. Separate sessions are required for Cadets, Junior Restricted, Juniors, and Seniors, ie only karts from one of these classes may be on the track at any one time. Protective clothing and an approved helmet, as per the KartSport NZ Licence book, must be used during any practice session. The Club does not charge practice fees - these form part of your subscription. The track is available to members on any non-Club day unless otherwise advised in the Club website. Please restrict your usage to between 9.00am and 5.00pm.


Track Access
A key must be obtained which will open the gate. The key does not allow entry to the clubrooms, which are additionally protected by an alarm system.
To obtain a key :
Contact Charmaine Jones, 04 234 8900. Your key will cost $120.00 for a full membership year and is pro-rata'd
on a monthly basis.
Your Responsibilities:
When you open the gate you must lock it again when you have entered. This ensures that non-club members do not enter without your knowledge and provide a possible conflict with OSH requirements. You may practice only between 9am and 5pm. Practice outside these hours may result in your being expelled from the Club and will certainly create problems with the Clubs neighbours. You are responsible for making sure that the track and
buildings are secure when you leave. If you found (or created) any damage to the track or buildings please ring the President or Secretary as soon as possible. The Club carries comprehensive insurance.


Obviously the bike must be a bucket and be fully crash protected also.

[Buckets4Me]

Now that im building a bucket you guys are gonna have to put up with all my threads like the racing forum has for the last couple of years...

Cool we dont care

It was Sketchys idea but I thought it was good and that was to have a Moto 1 class that allows standard up to 85cc engines with the only exception being a different pipe. They only make around 20ish HP atw so they wouldnt be faster then whats out there now.

no no no dont fix something thats not broken

The good things about it is that young MX kids could chuck some slicks on and race around but also you could have a fast competitive engine that you can easily pick up parts for.

start a motard class
F5
F4
Bucket motards any mx bike under 100cc 2 stroke
150cc 4 stroke
Bucket sidecars when they come back

I was just talking to a young budding road racer on sunday and he would like to bucket race his KTM85. An 85cc engine in a RS125 would be a great bike

and cost more than buying an fxr !!!!

[gav]

Originally Posted by CHOPPA
I was just talking to a young budding road racer on sunday and he would like to bucket race his KTM85. An 85cc engine in a RS125 would be a great bike ....

and cost more than buying an fxr !!!!

You'd be better off buying an FXR or maybe a RG150 and racing Streetstock on it, rather than messing around fitting an 85 into a RS125 ....