If Labour wins the election I'll have to pay my ACC levy

**MIXONE** · 6th November 2011, 19:18

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

That argument is just about as fair as nick 'I'm a cunt face' smith saying Bikes over 600cc should pay more, as people who own them earn more.....yeah.....right

Or how about that bloke down the road who owns the Bently, she should pay more for his gas....rich prick.

-Indy

I really don't give a fuck as long as I pay less on my bike rego,

**kiwi cowboy** · 6th November 2011, 19:24

Originally Posted by Bad Biker

I agree with others that the ACC levies on motorcycle registration is a lot higher than other users which targets our back pockets more that car users.

I see there are a number of complaints about the ACC levies but no one seem to complain about the money that is spent by ACC for surgery, medical treatment or weekly compensation when they need it following an accident.

As expected ACC would have to pay less money for someone with a broken leg or arm then they will for a person that needs to spend the rest of their life in a wheel chair which could run into millions per person over a life time.

I believe that the fairest way of attributing an ACC levy on road users is a set rate on the registration for all private motor vehicles regardless of type when you consider there are more cars on the roads than motorcycles therefore there are more injury related accidents involving cars.

Maybe there should also be an additional levy for commercial vehicles as when they have an accident they are also funded out of the same motor vehicle account and not the employer account as mum and dad drivers/riders and spend more time on the roads than the private vehicle user.

This way all vehicle owners would pay the same as we are all at the same risk per number of users as each other.

Just a thought

Thats fine but the bug bear has been that if you own 2 vechiles you pay 2 lots of acc but only use 1 at a time and also the tax on fuel is making it more of a - the more km's on the road you do the higher the risk for an accident the more fuel you use to even the risk out.
A tax on fuel would also go towards alot of non work related accident rehabilitation as most hobbies use fuel in some form I:E motorcycle raceing uses fuel,mowing lawns uses fuel,ski bunnies use fuel to get to fields,horsie people use fuel getting horse around etc etc.

**FJRider** · 6th November 2011, 20:31

Originally Posted by kiwi cowboy

Thats fine but the bug bear has been that if you own 2 vechiles you pay 2 lots of acc but only use 1 at a time ...

That may be the case in single person households ... and most familys have more than one vehicle, and more than one DRIVER/RIDER ... (son,daughter, wife, mother/father, friend ... etc)

**kiwi cowboy** · 6th November 2011, 20:44

Originally Posted by FJRider

That may be the case in single person households ... and most familys have more than one vehicle, and more than one DRIVER/RIDER ... (son,daughter, wife, mother/father, friend ... etc)

AND some people have multiple vechicles, motorbikes but son,daughter,mother/father,freind doesnt use them but said people only ride them one at a time.

**Indiana_Jones** · 6th November 2011, 20:47

The idea of the ACC on a single vehicle, is that it covers everyone who may use it.

Now sure you may use it 99% of the time, but down the line someone else will use it for some reason or another.

A better system would be some sort of base rate a person pays to cover their vehicle usage. But that'd be too complex so they just cover the vehicle.

-Indy

**HenryDorsetCase** · 6th November 2011, 21:43

Originally Posted by Bad Biker

I agree with others that the ACC levies on motorcycle registration is a lot higher than other users which targets our back pockets more that car users.

I see there are a number of complaints about the ACC levies but no one seem to complain about the money that is spent by ACC for surgery, medical treatment or weekly compensation when they need it following an accident.

As expected ACC would have to pay less money for someone with a broken leg or arm then they will for a person that needs to spend the rest of their life in a wheel chair which could run into millions per person over a life time.

I believe that the fairest way of attributing an ACC levy on road users is a set rate on the registration for all private motor vehicles regardless of type when you consider there are more cars on the roads than motorcycles therefore there are more injury related accidents involving cars.

Maybe there should also be an additional levy for commercial vehicles as when they have an accident they are also funded out of the same motor vehicle account and not the employer account as mum and dad drivers/riders and spend more time on the roads than the private vehicle user.

This way all vehicle owners would pay the same as we are all at the same risk per number of users as each other.

Just a thought

I kind of agree with you: the part about aggregating risk to all road users, not segregating certain road users and making them pay more on the basis of increased cost. However, your proposal does ignore one factor which I suggest is this: risk increases as a result of time and density of travel. so the more k's you do. the more risk you run.. also the more traffic there is. the more likely you are to be involved in a wreck. My solution is simply to remove the acc component from registration, and add it to petrol/fuel. the more you use. the more you pay. The mechanism is already there (petrol tax, GST) to collect and monitor it. and I believe it firmly equates risk with cost. which, IMO the present situation does not.

**Jantar** · 6th November 2011, 22:14

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

The idea of the ACC on a single vehicle, is that it covers everyone who may use it.

Now sure you may use it 99% of the time, but down the line someone else will use it for some reason or another....

ACC on fuel would also cover everyone who may use the vehicle. Unless ACC know of a way that the vehicle can be used without fuel.

Even electric vehicles use fuel (think about it).

**Robert Taylor** · 7th November 2011, 06:44

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

On petrol isn't really fair, a Jag is gonna be paying a shit load more ACC then a guy on a scooter.

Should be done on kms, like diesel tax

-Indy

But it also seems that far too many people that ride scooters have woefully inadequate clothing which means they very much go through the mincer when they fall off. Thats a very real burden on ACC.
Ive said it before, small businesses have far more reason to complain about ACC levies, but we still put up with it and pay.

**jellywrestler** · 7th November 2011, 07:01

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

But it also seems that far too many people that ride scooters have woefully inadequate clothing which means they very much go through the mincer when they fall off. Thats a very real burden on ACC.

But it also seems that far too many people that ride bicycles have woefully inadequate clothing which means they very much go through the mincer when they fall off. Thats a very real burden on ACC.

**riffer** · 7th November 2011, 07:02

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

But it also seems that far too many people that ride scooters have woefully inadequate clothing which means they very much go through the mincer when they fall off. Thats a very real burden on ACC.
Ive said it before, small businesses have far more reason to complain about ACC levies, but we still put up with it and pay.

S

So, Robert - have you asked your business-friendly government representative how he will assist your business with lowering its ACC cost?

**Taz** · 7th November 2011, 07:04

All my injuries requiring a payout from my insurer (acc) have been from offroad riding. At the moment I'm getting excellent cover for very little cost, mainly my earners levy which is about @2k a year but is that fair?

**Indiana_Jones** · 7th November 2011, 07:10

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

But it also seems that far too many people that ride bicycles have woefully inadequate clothing which means they very much go through the mincer when they fall off. Thats a very real burden on ACC.

+1

All new bicycles should have odometers and ACC paid per 1000km! lol

-Indy