Who will win the 2011 election?

[Winston001]

I was interested/appalled to hear a recent poll about Epsom where most people preferred the National candidate but would vote for Banks and Act if John Key told them to.

Baaaa.... baaaaa.... baaaa....

But isn't that an example of intelligent tactical voting? The voter thinks about the most favourable result and makes an informed decision. It's the opposite of sheeplike behaviour. Its irrelevant who (John Key or a journalist) tells people how to vote effectively.

Incidentally Key is very cool towards ACT and Banks is the only one explaining tactical voting. I think ACT are gone.

[shrub]

But isn't that an example of intelligent tactical voting? The voter thinks about the most favourable result and makes an informed decision. It's the opposite of sheeplike behaviour. Its irrelevant who (John Key or a journalist) tells people how to vote effectively.

Incidentally Key is very cool towards ACT and Banks is the only one explaining tactical voting. I think ACT are gone.

Yeah, you're probably right on both counts. The outburst from the guy in New Plymouth signed Acts death knell because if Key endorses Banks it will look (at least in part) that he is doing what he is told by Act, and Key won't do that. I'd lay hard cold drinking cash that Act is gone by lunchtime.

[oldrider]

Yeah, you're probably right on both counts. The outburst from the guy in New Plymouth signed Acts death knell because if Key endorses Banks it will look (at least in part) that he is doing what he is told by Act, and Key won't do that. I'd lay hard cold drinking cash that Act is gone by lunchtime.

Simply "wanting something to be a fact" doesn't quite make it fact .... all will be revealed when the fat lady takes her final bow!

[oneofsix]

Simply "wanting something to be a fact" doesn't quite make it fact .... all will be revealed when the fat lady takes her final bow!

not if she is wearing a full length high necked gown

back to the subject

interestingly everyone seems to rule Winny and NZ First out and yet they got a larger share of the vote last time around than Act did. Nz First only missed the threshold by less than a percentage point, Act missed it by more than that putting Act in much the same group as United and Progressive but now possibly without the leader that wins the seat.

[Banditbandit]

It can also be construed as avoiding a situation where ACT get 4.9% of the vote and National gets ousted because it can't find a coailition partner (and a significant number of votes are wasted). Personlly, I kinda agree with you as I can't see ACT making the 5%, or winning a seat - so the Nats should be saying "vote for us if you want your vote to count".

Notwithstanding that, if National can make people vote strategically, good on them. If those people grasp that process, they are proving you wrong by putting at least some thought into voting.

But isn't that an example of intelligent tactical voting? The voter thinks about the most favourable result and makes an informed decision. It's the opposite of sheeplike behaviour. Its irrelevant who (John Key or a journalist) tells people how to vote effectively.

Incidentally Key is very cool towards ACT and Banks is the only one explaining tactical voting. I think ACT are gone.

But now, apparently, John Key has said he doesn't want ACT as a coalition partner ... rather ironic .. give them Epsom in exchange for New Plymouth ... then leave ACT in Opposition. So much for "Tactical Voting"

[Banditbandit]

[mashman]

Amazing how far a smile and some sheep will get ya these days...

[shrub]

But now, apparently, John Key has said he doesn't want ACT as a coalition partner ... rather ironic .. give them Epsom in exchange for New Plymouth ... then leave ACT in Opposition. So much for "Tactical Voting"

Or could it be it's a way to get rid of Act for once and for all? Act are kind of the default National coalition partner in the same way Jim Anderton was a default Labour partner, but unlike Jim, Act are bloody embarrassing and are probably even more of a loose cannon than dear old Hone and Mana. If Act are in parliament I think Key would feel obliged to offer them a ministerial post of some form, and while Key is a bit of a bimbo, he's clever enough to know Act would almost certainly be a source of embarrassment to him and National. So he's milking Act by letting them skip the Naki and while he hasn't come out and said "People of Epsom, vote National", and has hinted he'll have a cuppa with dear old Banksie, he's fallen a long way short of supporting Act. Especially when you consider National have put Katrina Shanks in Ohariu Belmont, and she is damn near asleep, so they have pretty well given that seat to Dunne.

[SMOKEU]

I still don't know who I'm going to vote for. Certainly not National because John Key is a jew. Look at how well that turned out (not).

[rainman]

I'd lay hard cold drinking cash that Act is gone by lunchtime.

I'll drink to that!

[Banditbandit]

I still don't know who I'm going to vote for. Certainly not National because John Key is a jew. Look at how well that turned out (not).

So was Adolf Hitler .... and look how well that turned out ...

"Hitler's father was the illegitimate child of a cook named (Maria Anna) Schicklegruber. This cook, the grandmother of Adolf Hitler, was working for a Jewish family named Frankenberger, when she became pregnant. Frankenberger paid Schicklegruber, a paternity allowance from the time of the child's birth up to his fourteenth year."

From a secret report by the Nazi Hans Frank. Written in 1930


(From http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/adolf_hitler.htm )

[oldrider]

I'll drink to that!

Ahh .... the strangled cry of the alcohol inflicted! What is it that alcohol does to brain cells?

[rainman]

In answer to the original question, the following article may,sadly, have some relevance.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10764718

It's also a shining example of what is wrong with both NZ politics and the NZ media, in a handy one page format.

[oldrider]

In answer to the original question, the following article may,sadly, have some relevance.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10764718

It's also a shining example of what is wrong with both NZ politics and the NZ media, in a handy one page format.

Well, I'll drink to that!

[SMOKEU]

So was Adolf Hitler .... and look how well that turned out ...

"Hitler's father was the illegitimate child of a cook named (Maria Anna) Schicklegruber. This cook, the grandmother of Adolf Hitler, was working for a Jewish family named Frankenberger, when she became pregnant. Frankenberger paid Schicklegruber, a paternity allowance from the time of the child's birth up to his fourteenth year."

From a secret report by the Nazi Hans Frank. Written in 1930


(From http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/adolf_hitler.htm )

Cheers for the link. It made a very interesting read.

In answer to the original question, the following article may,sadly, have some relevance.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10764718

It's also a shining example of what is wrong with both NZ politics and the NZ media, in a handy one page format.

What's wrong with NZ politics is that it's largely made up of left wing communists. The NZ public are all too happy to bend over and blindly follow the government propaganda like sheep. People seem to think that the government always knows what is best for them as they have been brought up with a mentality where they believe they shouldn't think for themselves about political issues. The mass immigration policies are designed to spread third world filth into NZ, diluting this countries culture and turning it into a third world slum, slowly, year by year.