Benefits

[shrub]

getting back to benefits, did anyone see the woman in TV the other night? I think it was TV3's article about Labour offering to pay WFF to beneficiaries. She had 6 kids and was living a pretty austere life on the DPB in a state house. But I couldn't help but notice that of the kids several were preschoolers.

So the question has to be asked, how many of those kids have the same father? And how long has she been on the DPB?

I would hazard a guess there are multiple fathers and she has been on the DPB for a fair old while - she certainly didn't come across as a particularly employable prospect and the uncharitable would call her thick.

Her lifestyle looked far from pleasant, and she was certainly not milking the system and living the high life off our sweat and tax, so how the hell has she ended up in that situation? She's probably got no real education, and her only skill is attracting scumbags that get her pregnant then fuck off, but how the hell did she end up living in poverty with 6 kids?

it's mighty un-PC, but there has to be a case for compulsory sterilisation there.

[steve_t]

getting back to benefits, did anyone see the woman in TV the other night? I think it was TV3's article about Labour offering to pay WFF to beneficiaries. She had 6 kids and was living a pretty austere life on the DPB in a state house. But I couldn't help but notice that of the kids several were preschoolers.

So the question has to be asked, how many of those kids have the same father? And how long has she been on the DPB?

I would hazard a guess there are multiple fathers and she has been on the DPB for a fair old while - she certainly didn't come across as a particularly employable prospect and the uncharitable would call her thick.

Her lifestyle looked far from pleasant, and she was certainly not milking the system and living the high life off our sweat and tax, so how the hell has she ended up in that situation? She's probably got no real education, and her only skill is attracting scumbags that get her pregnant then fuck off, but how the hell did she end up living in poverty with 6 kids?

it's mighty un-PC, but there has to be a case for compulsory sterilisation there.

$550 a week in the hand wasn't it? And Labour are looking to give her more money.

You don't even need compulsory sterilisation. Offer $5000 to women to get sterilised - it'd save a shitload of money in the long term and that way they still have freedom of choice.

[shrub]

$550 a week in the hand wasn't it? And Labour are looking to give her more money.

You don't even need compulsory sterilisation. Offer $5000 to women to get sterilised - it'd save a shitload of money in the long term and that way they still have freedom of choice.

no, $560.00. She is probably doing it pretty hard, even on that amount. The problem is not how much she is getting but that she has got in that situation in the first place.

[mashman]

getting back to benefits, did anyone see the woman in TV the other night? I think it was TV3's article about Labour offering to pay WFF to beneficiaries. She had 6 kids and was living a pretty austere life on the DPB in a state house. But I couldn't help but notice that of the kids several were preschoolers.

I thought they said she had a fella that couldn't get work, wasn't paying too much attention, too busy grumbling to my wife about how she'll be "forced" into "work" should the Nats get their way. Not just baggin the Nats, but they're the ones who seem to be the more happy to ignore these kinds of people and that looks to be supported by the figures in rainman's post. Pretty much everything that's dropping looks training related. But why train them when you're going to "force" them into work that they won't do because they're too qualified.

[oneofsix]

I thought they said she had a fella that couldn't get work, wasn't paying too much attention, too busy grumbling to my wife about how she'll be "forced" into "work" should the Nats get their way. Not just baggin the Nats, but they're the ones who seem to be the more happy to ignore these kinds of people and that looks to be supported by the figures in rainman's post. Pretty much everything that's dropping looks training related. But why train them when you're going to "force" them into work that they won't do because they're too qualified.

how do you force them into jobs that don't exist? If her fella can't get work how is she meant to? All it does is add stress and more misery to their pitiful existence.

[avgas]

Yeah ?? Not if you had been on the recieving end of such an attack by the tax vultures ... took five years - yeah count them .. FIVE years before IRD would accept that the trust had not been set up to dodge tax - but to use the assests to pay for the education of the next generation !!!!

That sucks man. I had similar issues with what used to be called Studylink.

See the problem was you let IRD know about it.
I have met plenty of people whom evade tax. Contrary to what most people think, its pretty common, and the commissioner does f-all about it.
Because he does not know.
Because they don't declare it to the IRD.
Because they are EVADING TAX

[mashman]

how do you force them into jobs that don't exist? If her fella can't get work how is she meant to? All it does is add stress and more misery to their pitiful existence.

I totally agree... but that doesn't matter, she shouldn't have had them if she couldn't afford them... apparantly

[avgas]

how do you force them into jobs that don't exist? If her fella can't get work how is she meant to? All it does is add stress and more misery to their pitiful existence.

Nah she can work. She is even overqualified.
Safe for work so you can click

[shrub]

how do you force them into jobs that don't exist? If her fella can't get work how is she meant to? All it does is add stress and more misery to their pitiful existence.

There's a huge problem with the whole idea of "getting people back into work". You may well be entirely capable of returning to work, but what if you can't get a job because every time you apply you find that there are 350 other applicants, and amongst those applicants are 340 that have recent work experience, or are better qualified, or even just interview better? Or what if they're in their 50s?

Maybe the state puts said beneficiary through extra training and coaches on interview skills etc - nice idea, but what about everyone else applying? Suddenly they are at a disadvantage because they're not on a benefit. or what if they haven't worked for 5 or 10 years and the position needs someone with recent industry experience?

Do you just look the person in the face and say "tough shit mate, you're on your own, get a job flipping burgers", but when was the last time you saw anyone aged over 20 doing that? Most of the kids working in those kinds of jobs are casual and part time. Could you bring a family up on 20 hours a week at minimum wage?

It's a great idea, and will have the National supporters nodding sagely and agreeing how well it will work over their Chardonnays, but is pretty well impossible to implement and as you say, will add misery to a lot of people's lives.

[scumdog]

I totally agree... but that doesn't matter, she shouldn't have had them if she couldn't afford them... apparantly

Too true.

Those that earn the least seem to breed the most.

And expect everybody else to support them in their chose lifestyle...

[SMOKEU]

It's her fault for getting herself into that situation in the first place. I can understand how someone may get accidentally pregnant and end up with 1 kid, but 6?! People should not be allowed to breed unless they can prove they have the income to support themself, and the child they plan on raising.

[mashman]

It's her fault for getting herself into that situation in the first place. I can understand how someone may get accidentally pregnant and end up with 1 kid, but 6?! People should not be allowed to breed unless they can prove they have the income to support themself, and the child they plan on raising.

and what if, after undergoing and passing the smokeu sok you can have more kids test, a year later he leaves/loses his job and the money just isn't there. What does the single mum do for money then? apart from stripping that is

[MIXONE]

and what if, after undergoing and passing the smokeu sok you can have more kids test, a year later he leaves/loses his job and the money just isn't there. What does the single mum do for money then? apart from stripping that is

Prostitution.Afetr all it is the world's oldest profession...

[Ocean1]

It's a great idea, and will have the National supporters nodding sagely and agreeing how well it will work over their Chardonnays, but is pretty well impossible to implement and as you say, will add misery to a lot of people's lives.

Dude, without the benefit of the benefit they'd be too dead to be miserable.

Me, I'd take miserable. It's the natural condition after all.

[SMOKEU]

and what if, after undergoing and passing the smokeu sok you can have more kids test, a year later he leaves/loses his job and the money just isn't there. What does the single mum do for money then? apart from stripping that is

Then it's a different story. I just don't see why taxpayers should have to fund a career choice in breeding like a rabbit for those who choose to do so.