Occupy Dunedin?

[scumdog]

The Dunedin police are choosing selective enforcement of the law... how else to interpret this? They label it an occupation themselves; they acknowledge it is interfering with freedom of movement for the taxpaying public; but...

"The stand-off between Dunedin City Council and anti-capitalism protestors occupying the Octagon has intensified. Dunedin police have ruled out enforcing trespass notices to the group issued at the end of October...."

Dear Inspector Sparrow @ Dunedin; are you occupying the job we pay you for, or not?

Classic!!

Somebody with a KB degree in Law and Politics...

(And who believes the media)

[Berries]

The Dunedin police are choosing selective enforcement of the law... how else to interpret this? They label it an occupation themselves; they acknowledge it is interfering with freedom of movement for the taxpaying public; but...

As much as I would like to see some batons bouncing off heads in the Octagon you might want to read this -

Kill the Hippies

[unstuck]

Ignore it and it will go away. Hmmmm

[oneofsix]

As much as I would like to see some batons bouncing off heads in the Octagon you might want to read this -

Kill the Hippies

Seemed a well reasoned piece as far as media goes. If we loss the right to peaceful protest then how do you speak out for you believes and what is to stop some woazer of a Councillor deciding something like the poker or toy run should be stopped?
I didn't like the idea of a non-notifier notice in the courts, thought the idea of the courts was to hear both sides, so I am glad National HQ squashed that idea. You wouldn't even know you were breaking the law until it was too late and probably get into resisting arrest thinking you were being bullied. Frightening that the possibility of the non-notified notice exists, imagine if a council decided that was a good way to fix the motorcycle parking issue.

[BoristheBiter]

Seemed a well reasoned piece as far as media goes. If we loss the right to peaceful protest then how do you speak out for you believes and what is to stop some woazer of a Councillor deciding something like the poker or toy run should be stopped?
I didn't like the idea of a non-notifier notice in the courts, thought the idea of the courts was to hear both sides, so I am glad National HQ squashed that idea. You wouldn't even know you were breaking the law until it was too late and probably get into resisting arrest thinking you were being bullied. Frightening that the possibility of the non-notified notice exists, imagine if a council decided that was a good way to fix the motorcycle parking issue.

I agree to a point.

The trespass notice is for camping not for protesting. All the police need to do is uphold the no camping bylaw and if the protesters stop them from removing the tents etc then arrest them for obstruction.

It just show's that TPTB don't have a fucking clue.

[oneofsix]

I agree to a point.

The trespass notice is for camping not for protesting. All the police need to do is uphold the no camping bylaw and if the protesters stop them from removing the tents etc then arrest them for obstruction.

It just show's that TPTB don't have a fucking clue.

that would be where the law would get tricky. Council says the tents are camping, protesters say the tents are part of the protesting.

[BoristheBiter]

that would be where the law would get tricky. Council says the tents are camping, protesters say the tents are part of the protesting.

I would think the definition would be easy.
camping, present participle of camp (Verb) Live for a time in a camp, tent, or camper.

I just think the balls have dropped off the justice system.

[RDJ]

Classic!!

Somebody with a KB degree in Law and Politics...

(And who believes the media)

Yes, I suppose the media may have misquoted Inspector Sparrow but I believed his words. If he uttered them, then it's me believing him. Was he misquoted?

As regards the KB LLB: actually, the tenor of your posts does seem to support the conclusion that you and your collective would prefer us captive taxpayers to pay up, shut up, and quietly appreciate the beneficent decisions made by your elites for us; but, as someone else said, "If something cannot go on forever, it will stop". And too many bad decisions - and even more, too many coverups - are leading your customers to our own conclusion; that we cannot afford in the financial as well as the personal safety senses, to continue taking all the medicine your leadership enforces upon us.

[oneofsix]

I would think the definition would be easy.
camping, present participle of camp (Verb) Live for a time in a camp, tent, or camper.

I just think the balls have dropped off the justice system.

yes that is a definition of camping but camping can be used as a form of protest, just like motorcycle riding has a definition but can also be used as a form of protest and just like walking, but for some reason you have to call it a hikoi or a march to make walking to the middle of the road a form of protest.

[Banditbandit]

Rememebr the three protestors who damaged the dome over the Waihopai spy base dish? Taken to court for intentional damage . Found Not Guilty. The police will be justifiably wary about charging protestors after that one ...

It was a form of protest and a jury of 12 good citizens said "Not Guilty" ...

[RDJ]

Respectfully suggest Waihopai was different. The police took the action, the jury heard the evidence and came to a conclusion. In this present case it appears from the comments made by Inspector S, that the police in Dunedin have decided not to take any action... are instead pre-judging.

Meanwhile, not only are we / the locals paying for the direct consequences of this "occupation"; we're also encouraging treatment based on special 'cultural' interests... of which we have had more than enough already.

If you pay taxes, would you rather that you don't have to pay taxes based on someone carrying out an unlawful protest more or less indefinitely? Which is again different from a quantitative point of view, than a protest ride or a hikoi march. Of course for all those who are able-bodied but still collect more from the government in confiscated tax receipts than they contribute in taxes paid, then I can perfectly understand they don't see a problem.

[BoristheBiter]

yes that is a definition of camping but camping can be used as a form of protest, just like motorcycle riding has a definition but can also be used as a form of protest and just like walking, but for some reason you have to call it a hikoi or a march to make walking to the middle of the road a form of protest.

camping isn't protesting, just like riding to wellington wasn't protesting, we protested when we got there.

I have nothing against this protest (other than i think it's a bollocks cause) but they are breaking a law and should be held to account.

[misterO]

My wife and I like to eat at Nova two or three times a month- it's a nice little cafe on the Octagon. We haven't gone there since this silly protest began because we just don't want to deal with the crowd of silly people. Nova is a small business that pays taxes and insurance and all the rest, and they employ people who are actually willing to work for a living (and depend on those wages). I'm sure Nova, and other downtown businesses, won't go bankrupt just because the two of us now avoid the Octagon, but I wonder how many other citizens are keeping their wallets away from the city centre. It doesn't seem fair. Ironic, isn't it?

[RDJ]

My wife and I like to eat at Nova two or three times a month- it's a nice little cafe on the Octagon. We haven't gone there since this silly protest began because we just don't want to deal with the crowd of silly people. Nova is a small business that pays taxes and insurance and all the rest, and they employ people who are actually willing to work for a living (and depend on those wages). I'm sure Nova, and other downtown businesses, won't go bankrupt just because the two of us now avoid the Octagon, but I wonder how many other citizens are keeping their wallets away from the city centre. It doesn't seem fair. Ironic, isn't it?

And this is being repeated all around the world at this Occupied Zones. The lefty halfwits running these shows could care less as long as they can still get their hands on the product of someone else's efforts. If they can reason at all, their reasoning probably goes "If Nova goes broke and stops paying taxes, well just tax the rest more!" But that is probably giving them too much credit, they're likely too dim to see the pretty direct relationship between cause and effect you have described above. And as the saying goes, "the person who wants to rob Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul."

[Virago]

I can understand that this is a legal minefield.

But the Dunedin City Council has the responsibility of ensuring the good condition of the Octagon reserve land. I don't see any problem with the excessive use of water sprinklers, to ensure that the grass survives...