MotoGP 2012

[Reckless]

Good article that and he has a point about all the electronics. Ban them let the rider win

[Crasherfromwayback]

Good article that and he has a point about all the electronics. Ban them let the rider win

Yeah it's hardly rocket science eh!

I've always said...by all means use traction control etc if racing with it improves rider safety for the street. But leave it to the production race classes. As in...Superbikes and Supersport. GP racing should have nothing to do with production based bikes at all. Fuck the electronics.

[eelracing]

Yeah it's hardly rocket science eh!

I've always said...by all means use traction control etc if racing with it improves rider safety for the street. But leave it to the production race classes. As in...Superbikes and Supersport. GP racing should have nothing to do with production based bikes at all. Fuck the electronics.

Onya Pete but as long as the MSMA (read as Honda)are making the tech regs we're stuck with electrickery .
They want it,it sells bikes apparently,but fucked if i'm paying the best part of 25 big-ones to have my ride dictated by a bloody computer programme.

[DidJit]

... Fuck the electronics.

Altogether now:...

[roogazza]

Onya Pete but as long as the MSMA (read as Honda)are making the tech regs we're stuck with electrickery .
They want it,it sells bikes apparently,but fucked if i'm paying the best part of 25 big-ones to have my ride dictated by a bloody computer programme.

Yes eel, thats why I chose the K6 gsxr.The lightest,pre Euro3 emisson and the least electronic aids.Trouble is what to replace it with.

Altogether now:...

Cheers Didjit.Thought this when we got moto2.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Onya Pete but as long as the MSMA (read as Honda)are making the tech regs we're stuck with electrickery .
They want it,it sells bikes apparently,but fucked if i'm paying the best part of 25 big-ones to have my ride dictated by a bloody computer programme.

Yeah it's a fucking problem eh. Also, the more often they fuck with the rules, the worse it gets. The 800's were finally pretty good...now they're changing again. When the 500's got to the end of their development, the racing was great. There's only so much you can do with a 500cc four cyl two stroke engine right?

Set the rules...and leave them the fuck alone. They'll eventually sort them selves out, a la the 500's! The riders don't want the electronics to win the race, it takes away from their achievements. They're all ego driven fuckers, and want everyone else to know it's them that's better than the rest, not the nerd with the laptop.

Yamaha (or any brand) can sing from the rooftops "Our 35 year old virgin computer nerd has made the new R1/6 the easiet sportbike in the world to ride fast!!!"

And if I was looking to buy one...fucking awesome. But I watch GP racing to see just who is THE MAN. I realize I can't buy me one of them there bikes, and I don't fucking care.

I wanna see who can ride a tyre smoking wheelstanding highsiding cunt of motorcycle better than everyone else.

The rest of the pussies can show us how fast they are on production based bikes overloaded with band aids.

[Cleve]

We all know if they really wanted to make it cheap enough for more teams to compete, they should simply go back to 500cc two strokes.

That also limits HP etc, as there really is only so much you can get out of one with current technology.

Ban traction control while you're at it.

Sorted.

Well the 250 GP bikes were costing so much to lease that is why we got Moto2. Can't see how doubling them to the 500's will make it cheaper. Honda/Yamaha will still charge an arm and a leg for the best bike.
Suzuki pulling out (actually postponing to 2013 waiting for the rules to settle down) is a good thing. It means the MSMA has one less member giving more power to Carmelo to ram home the changes that many of us want.
Control and power away from the factories should be a good thing. It's not the factories fault. They just can't help themselves.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well the 250 GP bikes were costing so much to lease that is why we got Moto2. Can't see how doubling them to the 500's will make it cheaper. Honda/Yamaha will still charge an arm and a leg for the best bike.
Suzuki pulling out (actually postponing to 2013 waiting for the rules to settle down) is a good thing. It means the MSMA has one less member giving more power to Carmelo to ram home the changes that many of us want.
Control and power away from the factories should be a good thing. It's not the factories fault. They just can't help themselves.

Come on mate, you strike me as an on to it chap. You can't tell me that it cost a couple of million Euro to build an Aprillia RS250 GP bike.

They (Aprilia) simply charged that because they could get away with it. Honda didn't sell RS250's to the public anymore, and Yamaha had long given up on the class.

Ask yourself this. How much more does it take, to build a twin cyl two stroke 250 road race bike compared to a single cyl two stroke dirtbike? Twice as much? Fair enough. Call it 50k to be safe.

It's their own fucking fault that they fucked the class.

[gixerracer]

Come on mate, you strike me as an on to it chap. You can't tell me that it cost a couple of million Euro to build an Aprillia RS250 GP bike.

They (Aprilia) simply charged that because they could get away with it. Honda didn't sell RS250's to the public anymore, and Yamaha had long given up on the class.

Ask yourself this. How much more does it take, to build a twin cyl two stroke 250 road race bike compared to a single cyl two stroke dirtbike? Twice as much? Fair enough. Call it 50k to be safe.

It's their own fucking fault that they fucked the class.

Pete you are correct and wrong at the same time. Your forgetting the sales numbers on a world wide scale is what sets the prcie for the dirtbikes, they sell shit loads of them but the RS250 Aprillia GP bikes or Honda RS etc would not sell bugger all so this has a huge influence on the cost I would suggest. Also the on going devlopment to making them faster so they could beat well them selves in the end a little like Honda in Motogp some would suggest( those dumb fuckers cant see it was only STONER that won or else Yamaha would still be world champs)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pete you are correct and wrong at the same time. Your forgetting the sales numbers on a world wide scale is what sets the prcie for the dirtbikes, they sell shit loads of them but the RS250 Aprillia GP bikes or Honda RS etc would not sell bugger all so this has a huge influence on the cost I would suggest. )

Yeah I know that mate, but you got my point. The RS250 Aprillia probably changed fuck all for the last few years. There's no way in fucking hell they should've charged people what they did for them.

[Oscar]

Yeah I know that mate, but you got my point. The RS250 Aprillia probably changed fuck all for the last few years. There's no way in fucking hell they should've charged people what they did for them.

IIRC, the lease on them was 500,000 Euro (included technician).

[Crasherfromwayback]

IIRC, the lease on them was 500,000 Euro (included technician).

Which I reckon is fair as. I'm sure your mate Mike Webb could tell us. But I've read all sorts of things in various magazines saying it was in the millions. And that's fucking ludicrous.

So if we double that for a 5 hundy...we'd be looking good again!!

[tigertim20]

After looking forward to the 2011 season with even more enthusiasm than normal, it pretty much turned into a one horse race. Very disappointing in a number of ways.

Therefore I'll just take 2012 as it comes. If there is actually some competition and the championship is still alive later in the year I may even go to Phillip Island again?

The latest I've seen is that Bautista is heading for Gressini now. Here's hoping he does get that works spec bike.

That pretty much sums it up,the only thing to add is the fact that Brand H and Brand D currently represent most of the grid and consequently have too much bargining power. The whole 800 experiment was the behest of Honda, who threatened to take their toys and leave.

It's great to have state of the art prototypes, but as things stand if either Honda or Ducati withdrew, there would be no MotoGP.

Im looking forward to 2012, as I hope that there will be a class within a class. IF there is, it may encourage more teams/manufacturers to enter a couple of CRT bikes, and maybe eventually a few full house GP bikes - wouldnt that be nice.
I would like to see a bye bye electronic aids rule. perhaps allow the CRT bikes to use them though, might get them a little closer to the moto gp bikes.

the low number of manufacturers is a downer for me, and with Honda and Ducati having had 6 bikes each, theyve probably had alot of sway in behind the scenes decisions, wasnt it honda after all that wanted to axe the smokers?.

[DidJit]

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[Reckless]

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Thanks Mate that was a great read!