Child abuse: when the FUCK are we going to actually take this seriously?

[Deano]

I get the following from the Table 1 below Figure 4.
Euro - 35%
Asian - 3%
Maori -50%
Pacific - 12%

Percentages on total number 2006-2010 Hospital Admission assault/neglect etc

I can't see how you got those figures ? See below.

"In New Zealand during 2006–2010, hospital admissions for injuries arising from the assault, neglect or maltreatment of children were significantly higher for males, Maori > Pacific > European > Asian children, and those living in average / more deprived (NZDep decile 2–10) areas (Table 1).

Similarly, during 2000–2010 hospital admissions for injuries arising from the assault, neglect or maltreatment of children were consistently higher for Maori and Pacific > European > Asian children, with rates also being higher for Maori than for Pacific children from 2004–05 onwards (Figure 4)."

[RDJ]

No matter how we crunch the numbers, or write the laws, at the end of the day we are dealing with a small percentage, that do not, and will not give a fuck about any one else, They are the only ones who can Choose to change their ways, and utill they choose, then they should be locked away for the rest of their natural lives, yes they may have very sad stories about growing up, and some stories may be real tear jerkers, but their story about their past IS NOT AN EXCUSE to be VIOLENT, particurly to those who are DEFENCELESS.

I also think New Zealand needs a National day of shame,( Not marked with a holiday,) with a monument to the children who have lost their lives in family violence, and I would place this monument on the lawn in front of Parliment, with the names and ages of all children going back as far as records will allow, and on the anniversary of the National day of Shame, the names would be read out and printed in all the countries medias.

You can't shame the shameless. Best you (we) can do is deprive them of the finance to loll about all day getting ready to beat on 'their' children and 'their' spouses; and if they still do, deprive them of their liberty (both spouses) and tire them out with hard labour in a harsh environment.

[SPman]

Perhaps men should also take more responsibility for who they stick their pricks into

I think most of them work on the "if it's got a pulse - fuck it" principle.......

[Usarka]

I get the following from the Table 1 below Figure 4.
Euro - 35%
Asian - 3%
Maori -50%
Pacific - 12%

Percentages on total number 2006-2010 Hospital Admission assault/neglect etc

You're basing on totals which is a misleading comparisin. You need to use the Rate Per 100,000 column to get a meaningful comparison.

For every 100,000 kids of x ethnicity, y are abused.
Maori 39.1
Pacific 24.4
Euro 11.8
Asian 6.6

[BoristheBiter]

You're basing on totals which is a misleading comparisin. You need to use the Rate Per 100,000 column to get a meaningful comparison.

For every 100,000 kids of x ethnicity, y are abused.
Maori 39.1
Pacific 24.4
Euro 11.8
Asian 6.6

Anyway you want to look at it Maori and pacific islanders are over represented.

[imdying]

I think most of them work on the "if it's got a pulse - fuck it" principle.......

Wait, what? We're checking for pulses now?

Percentages on total number 2006-2010 Hospital Admission assault/neglect etc

That is not weighted against the population size of each group, which you either know and you're being deceitful, or you don't and you're just a simpleton.

Regardless, most scary is that the group with the largest representation beat them down and don't take them to hospital but leave them to die instead, so the true figures are undoubtedly even worse that those figures make out.

[Pedrostt500]

You can't shame the shameless. Best you (we) can do is deprive them of the finance to loll about all day getting ready to beat on 'their' children and 'their' spouses; and if they still do, deprive them of their liberty (both spouses) and tire them out with hard labour in a harsh environment.

I Covered tha Unshame-able by saying "they do not and will not give a fuck about any one else".
I have no problems with Hard Labour being brought back into our Prison System, there is alot to be said for hard work for idol minds, breaking rocks and splitting fire wood with an axe.

[munster]

Where's the Equaliser when you need him. This PC bullshit nanny state has to (but won't) take their fair portion of the blame.

I don't have 'real' answers, I can't fix the world, all I know is that one time when my brother in law flipped out on my son (after his partner had comiitted suicide) I had to be held back. According to the in-laws, I 'over reacted' and 'it wasn't as bad as Aaron made out'. Fuck them, they weren't there, I was. They were just like the 'shadow' majority that like to let things slide. I did everything I could to protect my son and I would have done more had there been less witnesses. It's a long story that involves a jet ski and me chasing him down in my boat on Lake Ohakuri, best told over a beer or three.

I agree, a national day of shame would be a good idea, unfortunatley it would be a wasted message on those that need to hear it most, like drink driving / teenage driving adverts.

[Pedrostt500]

I'm a realist, a National day of Shame will not penetrate the unconsiousness of the Retards who think kids are punching bags.

A National Day of Shame would bring the issue front and centre to the rest of the Nation, it will get debated at least once a year, and possibly used to spring board initiatives, to curb this behaviour.
A Monument to the Children who have lost their lives to child abuse, needs to be erected on the front lawn of Parliment, so our countries law makers don't forget the defensless and vunrebal in our country.

Regardless of ethnicity these are New Zealand Children who are dying at the hands of those, who should be caring , loving and protecting them. In my eyes there is no greater crime than to Murder a defensless child, becuse the potential of that childs future will never be realised, and lost to us as a Nation.

[Paul in NZ]

GAH!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10768048

[Katman]

Interesting to read at the end of that article that there was another case of infanticide back in 2006 where people refused to co-operate with the police and no-one was charged.

Where the fuck has accountability gone?

[oneofsix]

I'm a realist, a National day of Shame will not penetrate the unconsiousness of the Retards who think kids are punching bags.

A National Day of Shame would bring the issue front and centre to the rest of the Nation, it will get debated at least once a year, and possibly used to spring board initiatives, to curb this behaviour.
A Monument to the Children who have lost their lives to child abuse, needs to be erected on the front lawn of Parliment, so our countries law makers don't forget the defensless and vunrebal in our country.

Regardless of ethnicity these are New Zealand Children who are dying at the hands of those, who should be caring , loving and protecting them. In my eyes there is no greater crime than to Murder a defensless child, becuse the potential of that childs future will never be realised, and lost to us as a Nation.

Our attitude to child abuse is changing. People are more likely to see what was once considered a thrashing as child abuse. But, as with drink driving where most of us will not however there is still a 'hard' core (soft cock core IMPO) that still do, there will always be a few loses that abuse.

Interesting to read at the end of that article that there was another case of infanticide back in 2006 where people refused to co-operate with the police and no-one was charged.

Where the fuck has accountability gone?

Good fucking question. If you murdered someone and I assisted you in hiding the evidence I would still be guilty of murder. So what's the difference here? IMO it is that our attitude to child abuse is still changing. Most of us, including the involved I suspect, would feel she assisted him in murdering JJ but the authorities (as in rules, procedures etc, not people) are still catching up. This is what annoyed me about Sue B and section 52, the focus went the wrong way, punishing the parent trying to stop the tantrum rather than dealing with the child abuser.

[Paul in NZ]

I’ll agree that Sue B’s ‘anti smacking’ law was a bit of a ‘wide’ when it came to addressing this issue as it diverted attention away from theses cases and into the suburbs. Part of the problem is in defining what is and isn’t ‘child abuse’.

I can’t go into specifics because its my own family and it’s a tad raw but trust me – I genuinely feel that parental stupidity falls into the category of ‘child abuse’ many many times. Our children get damaged because some people just don't have the life skills or resources to manage their own behaviours and so are completely overwhelmed by parenthood. Its sad that these people usually can't even see their glaring deficiencies and so make very poor choices about even having babies.. Well perhaps ‘stupidity’ is a bit strong as I doubt these people are truly fully aware of what they are doing. And that’s getting to the nub of the problem – there are just so many dysfunctional people. Normal (ie productive) society does produce cases of deliberate child abuse but it’s the ‘stupid ‘neglect that’s the burning issue. ‘We’ can’t understand it as quite frankly we know more about the social activities and structures of mountain gorilla society than we do about our own. Its like somehow we don’t want to acknowledge that this underclass even exist.

I’m fucked if I know what to do about it…..

[oneofsix]

I’ll agree that Sue B’s ‘anti smacking’ law was a bit of a ‘wide’ when it came to addressing this issue as it diverted attention away from theses cases and into the suburbs. Part of the problem is in defining what is and isn’t ‘child abuse’.

I can’t go into specifics because its my own family and it’s a tad raw but trust me – I genuinely feel that parental stupidity falls into the category of ‘child abuse’ many many times. Our children get damaged because some people just don't have the life skills or resources to manage their own behaviours and so are completely overwhelmed by parenthood. Its sad that these people usually can't even see their glaring deficiencies and so make very poor choices about even having babies.. Well perhaps ‘stupidity’ is a bit strong as I doubt these people are truly fully aware of what they are doing. And that’s getting to the nub of the problem – there are just so many dysfunctional people. Normal (ie productive) society does produce cases of deliberate child abuse but it’s the ‘stupid ‘neglect that’s the burning issue. ‘We’ can’t understand it as quite frankly we know more about the social activities and structures of mountain gorilla society than we do about our own. Its like somehow we don’t want to acknowledge that this underclass even exist.

I’m fucked if I know what to do about it…..

No silver bullet I'm afraid. Part of the issue is the move from the social family to the nuclear family and whilst most people can find enough support to survive this change means the safety net of the village society isn't there to assist those that need help, some are also beyond help and these are cases where the village would take over. The old saying about it taking a village to raise a child.

[Paul in NZ]

Of course women have got to play their part (not blaming them of course) and NOT hanging out with loonies...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...ied-to-tow-bar

FFS - you would think they would know better?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6051...with-prisoners