Hyosung GT250 vs Yamaha Scorpio for 1st bike & commuting?

[scary]

Hello everyone, I'm looking at getting a 250 to get to work on in Auckland city. I live out in Henderson so its going to beat the heck out of the train. I've got my 6L and I'm looking to spend under $3K on a second hand bike. So far I've narrowed the choice down to the two bikes in the title of the post. I'm torn between the alleged bomb-proof nature of the Scorpio vs the larger frame and broader appeal of the Comet. Can people chip in with their 2c on their preference for either bike and any potential pitfalls or things to look out for for someone buying their 1st bike.

I'm watching a bunch on Trademe and I'm ready to go shopping. Gonna pick up helmet, boots, gloves & trousers this weekend, I think.

Cheers,
Scary

[nzspokes]

Try sit on both. Very different bikes. Tigadee has both, ask him if you can go over and sit on them and go Brmmmmmmm.

[oneofsix]

I would have said the Scorpio as it is lighter and more easily manoeuvred through traffic. However I have to agree with nzspokes because in the end it is what suits and feels right to you.
BTW this is KB we do not Brmmmmm here (the bike does the brmmmm)

[Jase H]

My Scorpio has been bomb proof. Just about to hit 41,000kms and so far only changed consumable items and chain. One thing to watch out for is that at only 124kgs (the bike - not me :-) ), it's very easily blown about in the sort of windy conditions we've had lately.

Not wanting to sound like a record but as the others say try both and see what fits. I'm only 167 cm so the lower seat height of the Scorpio suits me better. A taller person may find it too low, however.

Good luck with finding something - happy riding.

[tigertim20]

Hello everyone, I'm looking at getting a 250 to get to work on in Auckland city. I live out in Henderson so its going to beat the heck out of the train. I've got my 6L and I'm looking to spend under $3K on a second hand bike. So far I've narrowed the choice down to the two bikes in the title of the post. I'm torn between the alleged bomb-proof nature of the Scorpio vs the larger frame and broader appeal of the Comet. Can people chip in with their 2c on their preference for either bike and any potential pitfalls or things to look out for for someone buying their 1st bike.

I'm watching a bunch on Trademe and I'm ready to go shopping. Gonna pick up helmet, boots, gloves & trousers this weekend, I think.

Cheers,
Scary

interesting pick of options, theres fuckall in common between the two!

Have you actually ridden either of them?

People come on here all the time, with 'what bike is best for me' - simple answer is that only you know. We can only tell you what WE would buy, but we arent you. Take both for a test ride - a decent ride, not just around the block. run it through town, down the motorway, and through a carpark or two. See how each feels at motorway speeds, consider how nice each of them are to ride through town, and look at how their low speed handling is in carparks etc. Think about how comfortable it will be on a longer ride, and think about the body position.
After youve done this on BOTH bikes, the answer to which one is right for you will be abundantly clear in your mind, and of the answer ISNT clear, then NEITHER of them are the right bike for you.

[Sable]

Hyosungs have a bad rep for bits breaking even whilst relatively new.

[blackdog]

Hyosungs have a bad rep for bits breaking even whilst relatively new.

What a load of shite. Apart from the petcock issue on very early models they are as reliable as any jappers.

As good as the scorpio is, I would own the Hyo first due to superiority in size and power.

[scary]

Take both for a test ride - a decent ride, not just around the block. run it through town, down the motorway, and through a carpark or two. See how each feels at motorway speeds, consider how nice each of them are to ride through town, and look at how their low speed handling is in carparks etc. Think about how comfortable it will be on a longer ride, and think about the body position.
After youve done this on BOTH bikes, the answer to which one is right for you will be abundantly clear in your mind, and of the answer ISNT clear, then NEITHER of them are the right bike for you.

I appreciate your comment about how different the two bikes are but who do you think is going to lend a complete noob a bike for the length of time you are describing? They'd have to be mental. I only passed my BHS a month ago. I've got no experience to tell which bike is superior, even if I did ride them both. The learning curve ahead of me is so steep that the one I liked most from first impressions I could hate in a month. That's why I'm posting here. I'd appreciate it if you elaborated on the differences, though.

Thanks for the other replies. I've seen peeps hating on Hyosungs on here already and I've seen people defending them. I'm happy with the defence's case and from what I've read it seems like a lot of bike for the money so its still on my short list.

[Ender EnZed]

As good as the scorpio is, I would own the Hyo first due to superiority in size and power.

+1

3 grand is enough for an unfucked GT250 and if you're comfortable with the extra weight then you'll probably enjoy it more. That said, you'll get a newer, better condition Scorpio for the same price that will be easier to learn to ride on and give little away around town.

[tigertim20]

I appreciate your comment about how different the two bikes are but who do you think is going to lend a complete noob a bike for the length of time you are describing? They'd have to be mental. I only passed my BHS a month ago. I've got no experience to tell which bike is superior, even if I did ride them both. The learning curve ahead of me is so steep that the one I liked most from first impressions I could hate in a month. That's why I'm posting here. I'd appreciate it if you elaborated on the differences, though.

Thanks for the other replies. I've seen peeps hating on Hyosungs on here already and I've seen people defending them. I'm happy with the defence's case and from what I've read it seems like a lot of bike for the money so its still on my short list.

very few private sellers are retarded enough to think theyre going to sell their bike without letting potential buyers take it for a test ride. The old 'you break it, you buy it' applies for your test ride, as you would expect.
Most dealers that have second hand bikes would be happy to let people test ride a bike as well.

As far as superior, define superior? for person A, the hyo would be for superior, for others, the scorpio is - it depends on far too many things that you havent told us, and you dont need to be Valentino Rossi to know that the bike you just rode felt comfortable, fit you well, and that you liked it.

If it was me, It take the hyo, because im 6ft+, Im kind of a fat cunt, and I would rape the fuck out of a scorpio, if anyone could fuck one, it'd be me.

If you want us to provide a generic answer to which would be better for you, then we need to know
your rough size/weight (are you a fat cunt or a beanpole of midget proportions?)
where you live/where you intend to ride it
how many kms you do a week
what kind of riding? in town/suburban commute? highway commute? rallies? occaisional long rides? take it out for 300km every saturday?
will you be carting gear and shit? how much? how often?
do you like to go everywhere quickly, or are you a nana who goes everywhere at 30kays because you have glaucoma?

as for the differences, one is a single cylinder thumper, the other a v twin - very different engine characteristics
one weighs as much as my wife, (two fifths of fuck all) the other weights closer to a small grizzly bear (ok, not that heavy.)
one is realistically designed to be pootled around town on, the other is (IMO) by far more versatile and more comfortable for a wider range of applications.
one is very small, the other is a full sized bike.

[scary]

Awesome reply mate, thanks.

I am 32 years & 9 months old, 182cm and I weigh about eighty kilos, so my BMI's just inside normal. I like to get places in a hurry, particularly work (hence the bike for commuting). Work is 22km away along Lincoln Road and the North Western Motorway. It'll be a fine-weather commute at first but I anticipate riding in all conditions once I'm confident enough. I don't have too many big plans for 300km weekend rides although it would be nice to be able to tow my longboard up to Mangawhai on the weekends and beat the traffic. Has anyone actually tried this, BTW? Anyway, I won't be carting much more than a rucksack and I'm definitely not in the glaucoma crew but I'm not a mentalist either.

You've done a great job of selling the Hyo to me there too, although Ender EnZed has a good point to make about getting a newer Scorpio for the money. I might go and see if I can sit on a Scorpio this weekend to see if it feels like a kids toy. The problem is that I've only done 2hrs on a GN250 for my BHS so I'm going to want to trailer the bike home and pootle around the suburbs for at least a day or two before I even think about breaking the speed limit.

[jrandom]

I've done 40,000km ish on Scorpios in the last few years. I recommend one because I am biased on account of the fact that they are awesome.

Rode a Hyosung 250 once and didn't really like it. Uncomfortable, big and heavy for a 250, not very nimble, unnecessarily cramped riding position, covered in plastic so that the moment you drop it it looks like poos... doesn't seem ideal to me.

I don't really understand the thought processes of people who buy Hyosungs. I can only assume that they are uninformed. The only people I've ever seen recommend Hyosungs are people who haven't ridden fuck-all else.

Try doing THIS on a Hyosung 250:

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The Hyosung GV650 cruiser is a bit of a sleeper, mind you. But it's not a learner bike. Probably more the sort of thing you'd have after you'd been around the block umpteen dozen times and owned and ridden many different things and decided that you really, genuinely didn't care about what other people thought.

Anyway, scary - get a Scorpio. They're a better bike. And they're made by Yamaha and don't break.

[allycatz]

My 1.78m 89 kg partner rode my scorpio to work last week. He found it very light against the wind and pushing it to go much over 100km's. He does however normally ride a gsx1400 so wasn't surprised it was a different ride than hes used to. For me its great (5 '4 and 75kg). If your confident riding I would say the Hyo as it will probs last you through your restricted whereas the Scorpio you would probably out grow

[tigertim20]

Awesome reply mate, thanks.

I am 32 years & 9 months old, 182cm and I weigh about eighty kilos, so my BMI's just inside normal. I like to get places in a hurry, particularly work (hence the bike for commuting). Work is 22km away along Lincoln Road and the North Western Motorway. It'll be a fine-weather commute at first but I anticipate riding in all conditions once I'm confident enough. I don't have too many big plans for 300km weekend rides although it would be nice to be able to tow my longboard up to Mangawhai on the weekends and beat the traffic. Has anyone actually tried this, BTW? Anyway, I won't be carting much more than a rucksack and I'm definitely not in the glaucoma crew but I'm not a mentalist either.

You've done a great job of selling the Hyo to me there too, although Ender EnZed has a good point to make about getting a newer Scorpio for the money. I might go and see if I can sit on a Scorpio this weekend to see if it feels like a kids toy. The problem is that I've only done 2hrs on a GN250 for my BHS so I'm going to want to trailer the bike home and pootle around the suburbs for at least a day or two before I even think about breaking the speed limit.

if It were me, for the reasons in Red, Id get the Hyo.
Id personally get a scorpio ONLy if I was doing non-highway commuting.

You hear people say 'oh but I do 50km a day on the highway on my scorpio and go to all the rallies loaded up on it etc etc' to which i respond that Just because you CAN fuck a fat chick, doesnt mean that you should.

Sounds to me like the hyo would be a tad better for your needs, but you will get plenty of people who will sing the praises of either bike... and they each have their haters too

[jrandom]

My 1.78m 89 kg partner rode my scorpio to work last week. He found it very light against the wind and pushing it to go much over 100km's. He does however normally ride a gsx1400

I had a GSX1400 and a Scorpio sitting together in the garage for a couple of years.

I tended to take the Scorpio, unless I was actually leaving town.

the Scorpio you would probably out grow

Bollocks. The Scorpio's not a bike you 'outgrow'. It's a transport appliance that goes forever and will give heaps of faster-on-paper bikes some very unexpected learns if you put proper tyres on it.