Occupy Dunedin?

[Oscar]

Police include Occupy movement on ‘terror’ list ...

That's the UK movement - how is it relevant to NZ?

[bogan]

Man I don't get you bleaters. Getting angry at people for drawing attention to societal issues completely misses the point. All the protest represents is an idea and a feeling. Obviously quite a strong feeling based on the worldwide response and the amount of time and effort they are putting into it.

Are you scared of what the idea represents? Cos I can't think of another reason for your hostility towards peaceful protesters.

Fuck I'll bet you haven't even been directly affected by any of the protest camping.

Depends on what they are protesting though, a lot of what I have seen come through the media machine is just some filthy hippies pissed off that people who work have more money than them. Obviously the start of the movement was due to the special treatment the 1% get, making it harder for the 99% to cross the gap with hard work alone; but the protestors are not reinforcing that fact, or maybe it is the media focusing on the filthy hippies instead.

[oneofsix]

That's the UK movement - how is it relevant to NZ?

wait, it's coming.

Same drivers involved in both sides. Think world economy.

Funny how now the iron curtain comos have folded and the bamboo comos are now seen as a great trade opportunity and saviour to the blotted capitalism it seems the money have turned to pick on their own citizens.
also
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mone...-rich-and-poor

[Oscar]

wait, it's coming.

Same drivers involved in both sides. Think world economy.

Funny how now the iron curtain comos have folded and the bamboo comos are now seen as a great trade opportunity and saviour to the blotted capitalism it seems the money have turned to pick on their own citizens.
also
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mone...-rich-and-poor

I was referring to the people involved.
If the UK cops put the Occupy London people on the terror list, how is that relevant to Dunedin?
Is it networked?

[oneofsix]

I was referring to the people involved.
If the UK cops put the Occupy London people on the terror list, how is that relevant to Dunedin?
Is it networked?

You don't think that our authorities wouldn't talk to those on which they are based? But even if they didn't, and I don't think this low level protest would be discussed at that level, they will be observing. Migth pay not to think in terms of the police force as such, more in terms of those they answer to.

[BoristheBiter]

Bloody terrorists, imagine them having the cheek to say stuff like "[We] work with the community" they obviously don't understand the full meaning of the word community. "We’ve seen crime linked to protests in recent weeks" of course he has, what else do you call confidence tricksters getting people to take over large mortgages, bursting the balloon and then reprocessing peoples homes?
Oops I think I've reversed the roles from the article

Let me see, the police work with the community, I am part of the community, so therefore they seem to be doing the right thing, so no problem here.

As for the mortgages, when you borrow you are told what the repayments will be, if you can't budget why is that the fault of the bank?

[jazfender]

Depends on what they are protesting though, a lot of what I have seen come through the media machine is just some filthy hippies pissed off that people who work have more money than them. Obviously the start of the movement was due to the special treatment the 1% get, making it harder for the 99% to cross the gap with hard work alone; but the protestors are not reinforcing that fact, or maybe it is the media focusing on the filthy hippies instead.

An idea or movement starts as a general feeling of dissatisfaction with the status quo, which is what the media honed in on first. As it has been mentioned before, it takes awhile for a feeling to be refined. There are thousands of people with this feeling, each with their own opinions and thoughts and solutions to the problem (much like KB).

This delay is not good enough for Rupert Murdoch though and doesn't sell papers so they choose to fixate on whatever they can - in this case the lack of a common goal for the protest and the general appearance or "type" of people protesting.

Whether or not you choose to believe the media's interpretation of the movement is up to you but remember what sells and what doesn't.

[mashman]

I was referring to the people involved.
If the UK cops put the Occupy London people on the terror list, how is that relevant to Dunedin?
Is it networked?

It refers to the Occupy movement. The keyword is Occupy, not Dunedin.
It's not an If, because they have been added to the terror list.
Yes. It's a global movement.

[jazfender]

For those that think New Zealand is not a part of the global feeling of economic injustice:

"The gap between rich and poor has widened further in New Zealand - and in Sweden - than in any other developed countries in the past 25 years."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10771388

[Ocean1]

For those that think New Zealand is not a part of the global feeling of economic injustice:

"The gap between rich and poor has widened further in New Zealand - and in Sweden - than in any other developed countries in the past 25 years."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10771388

That's yet another hint to those that didn't choose to work towards a good career.

Not surprising it's going over their head, though, all the advice at school didn't sink in.

[oneofsix]

That's yet another hint to those that didn't choose to work towards a good career.

Not surprising it's going over their head, though, all the advice at school didn't sink in.

good career. Bit hard to do when the goal posts keep changing. No this is pure greed nothing to do with good career. It's not your engineers, professors and inventor types that are the 1% here. Wake up and smell the shit before its shoved down your throat. When the Russian communist system collapsed capitalism was doomed and these Occupy protests are just one of the death knells.

[jazfender]

That's yet another hint to those that didn't choose to work towards a good career.

Not surprising it's going over their head, though, all the advice at school didn't sink in.

Look, those that are defending the 1% based on their own success or experience need to take a step back and acknowledge that circumstances leading to where they are now are unique to them.

More often than not, getting a good job is who you know, where you are at any given time, the state of the economy where you are, the opportunities available, the education you have access to, the number of other people going for the job, the hours you are available, your household situation and a whole bunch of other factors. These are highly variable between two people and especially between two from different backgrounds, communities, lifestyles.

I agree that getting a good job or career is the product of hard work, but that is not the only thing and think of the millions of people working in slavery conditions in sweatshops. You would not say that they are not doing all they can in order to "advance their career".

The 1% may get a good position from working hard but you have to consider that they are skipping a whole lot of the other problems that cause people to miss out purely by being in the privileged position they are.

[Ocean1]

It's not your engineers, professors and inventor types that are the 1% here.

Is it not?

Go on, then, who are they?

[mashman]

That's yet another hint to those that didn't choose to work towards a good career.

Not surprising it's going over their head, though, all the advice at school didn't sink in.

As mentioned in another thread. One person has one job. There aren't enough jobs to go around. Those who come out school educated and want to work are going to try to find jobs. To that end, where all of the jobs are already filled, either someone has to leave a job before the lolly scramble for that position starts, or someone needs to create a job (entrepreneur etc...) which probably takes business from someone else and potentially puts more out of work, they'll maybe take any shit because they just need money, or they'll go on the dole. It's like a full car park, but without a queuing system. 1 in 1 out... So I disagree that it's because school didn't sink in, or that they're lazy etc... yes there are elements of people not wanting to work, but tarring them all with the same brush is poor.

[Ocean1]

Look, those that are defending the 1% based on their own success or experience need to take a step back and acknowledge that circumstances leading to where they are now are unique to them.

More often than not, getting a good job is who you know, where you are at any given time, the state of the economy where you are, the opportunities available, the education you have access to, the number of other people going for the job, the hours you are available, your household situation and a whole bunch of other factors. These are highly variable between two people and especially between two from different backgrounds, communities, lifestyles.

I agree that getting a good job or career is the product of hard work, but that is not the only thing and think of the millions of people working in slavery conditions in sweatshops. You would not say that they are not doing all they can in order to "advance their career".

The 1% may get a good position from working hard but you have to consider that they are skipping a whole lot of the other problems that cause people to miss out purely by being in the privileged position they are.

Third world labour rates do affect me. They make comodity prices much lower than they would be if I had to pay the sort of prices we did here in the 70's when it cost over a year's income to buy a Vauxhaul Chevett.

They would also affect me directly, if I was a labourer. And yes it was my unending good fortune to have fallen completely unaided into a profession where that's not the case.

So when I found myself needing a job some years ago I knocked on doors untill I found a business prepared to let me work for free. It took me two weeks to show them they could afford to keep me there on full commercial rates. The backpaid me the two weeks.




Privilege, forsooth.