Occupy Dunedin?

[Oscar]

99% aggrieved with someone (1%) to blame? .... Recipe for disaster.

It's obvious that the "99%" are nowhere near that percentage of the population.

[mashman]

This "occupy" thing is not going to go away anytime soon, as fast as world economies deteriorate, "occupy" will grow!

Confusion, discontent, loss of respect for authority, collective and individual hopelessness will encourage Civil disorder and evolve into chaos!

99% aggrieved with someone (1%) to blame? .... Recipe for disaster.

History has shown us many times the peasants are most revolting when they are revolting .... it will not be pretty!

IMHO a bigger threat than nuclear war.

It's just nature's way it seems!

I hope that's the case.

It may also encourage the really smart 1% to redefine their business models and be the captains of industry that they for all of is and not just those that can afford it?

Only if you believe the hype. The 1% are just folk, their motives however... and if they will embrace a "different way", there'll be no disaster. Here's hoping.

I hope you're wrong. (but I'm far from convinced that any of my hopes will be read as sense)

True.

... aye, we're helpless.

[mashman]

this made me a tad angry... fuckin mindless order following!

[scumdog]

this made me a tad angry... fuckin mindless order following!

Boh-ring, didn't see jack-shit, it's a nothing...

Makes me wonder how it was rated 218 'likes' and 80 'dislikes'!

[Bikemad]

having been in Dunedin recently while on the Burt ..............i am surprised anyone would want to occupy the place........$8.50 - $9 for a pint at the Captain Cook and the same at bars in the octagon..........

[FJRider]

having been in Dunedin recently while on the Burt ..............i am surprised anyone would want to occupy the place........$8.50 - $9 for a pint at the Captain Cook and the same at bars in the octagon..........

I dont think they frequent those places ... they just sit around smoking , and singing songs ...

[Berries]

having been in Dunedin recently while on the Burt ..............i am surprised anyone would want to occupy the place........$8.50 - $9 for a pint at the Captain Cook and the same at bars in the octagon..........

That's the special JAFA discount.

[Winston001]

this made me a tad angry... fuckin mindless order following!

I'm actually sympathetic to the Occupy protesters (being a frustrated hippie from the 70s) but to be honest, this video was a beatup. Clever drama by the young woman but not exactly in the league of the pepper-spray incident. That was wrong.

Mind you, a policeman pepper-sprayed some guys doing a haka in Utah. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byIdYkfm0w4

Oh well, it was Utah...and the officer apologised.

[mashman]

I'm actually sympathetic to the Occupy protesters (being a frustrated hippie from the 70s) but to be honest, this video was a beatup. Clever drama by the young woman but not exactly in the league of the pepper-spray incident. That was wrong.

Mind you, a policeman pepper-sprayed some guys doing a haka in Utah. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byIdYkfm0w4

Oh well, it was Utah...and the officer apologised.

I'd say that calling it a beat up is a bit strong. Granted they didn't leave her naked, but was there really any reason for "manhandling" her the way they did? Why didn't they just arrest her? True in regards to the pepper-spray... but still an overreaction from a group of people who are trained to handle simple situations such as that. That's what makes me mad... the lack of thought from the boys in blue and I can only assume a large dollop of prejudice towards Occupy. Unfair maybe, but it's certainly the perception it left me with. Perhaps expecting a brain under that stupid hat is too much to ask for.

Yeah I remember seeing that ... Again, a bit of a brain might have helped. I can understand the "panic" I suppose.

[Winston001]

This information is not difficult to find. Here's an article for you and the Forbes top 40 richest people in Australia and New Zealand, as a snapshot:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...-rich-and-poor

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/78/Rank_1.html

Also here's more from the NBR Rich List 2011:

http://www.therichest.org/nation/nbr-rich-list-2011/

Yeah I know but those are purile envy lists and of no value to a considered discussion. 40 people are insignificant in terms of national wealth for both countries.

The data from NZ statistics recently quoted on Stuff said that the top 1% held 16.4% of total wealth. That means 99% of the population hold 85.5% of the remaining wealth which certainly isn't balanced, but hardly reason to fetch the guillotines.

Frankly I don't care if there are a few uber wealthy so long as most people get a fair suck of the sav. And after doing aid work in India, I'd say we are all very fortunate. She's a pretty good place and no doubt about it.

[Oscar]

Yeah I know but those are purile envy lists and of no value to a considered discussion. 40 people are insignificant in terms of national wealth for both countries.

The data from NZ statistics recently quoted on Stuff said that the top 1% held 16.4% of total wealth. That means 99% of the population hold 85.5% of the remaining wealth which certainly isn't balanced, but hardly reason to fetch the guillotines.

Frankly I don't care if there are a few uber wealthy so long as most people get a fair suck of the sav. And after doing aid work in India, I'd say we are all very fortunate. She's a pretty good place and no doubt about it.

When you consider how much of the population is under 18, 99% of the population holding 85.5% of the wealth is OK.

[jazfender]

Yeah I know but those are purile envy lists and of no value to a considered discussion. 40 people are insignificant in terms of national wealth for both countries.

The data from NZ statistics recently quoted on Stuff said that the top 1% held 16.4% of total wealth. That means 99% of the population hold 85.5% of the remaining wealth which certainly isn't balanced, but hardly reason to fetch the guillotines.

Frankly I don't care if there are a few uber wealthy so long as most people get a fair suck of the sav. And after doing aid work in India, I'd say we are all very fortunate. She's a pretty good place and no doubt about it.

That same Stuff article says:

"The richest 1 per cent of the population owns three times more than the combined cash and assets of the poorest 50 per cent."

"But the gap between rich and poor still ranked ninth worst in the developed world in 2008."


You say as long as "most people get a fair suck of the sav", so who are those that you don't think should?

[RDJ]

Equality of opportunity can never guarantee equality of outcome

and

Inequality of outcome is no confiemation of inquality of opportunity

so

If we want equality of outcome, we need communism; and look at how well that worked out everywhere it has been tried...

Private enterprise based capitalism with appropriate regulation is the least worst system...

but YMMV

[mashman]

If we want equality of outcome, we need communism; and look at how well that worked out everywhere it has been tried...

What's your definition of equality of outcome?

[RDJ]

What's your definition of equality of outcome?

isn't my definition - it's what the Occupy mob are demanding we provide....

as someone else said on another site:

Since you can't force the "average" to be "superior", or the "inferior" to be "average", the only way to rectify inequality is to make everyone "inferior".

There are only two ways to eliminate "class warfare" - eliminate classes or eliminate the warfare. Eliminating classes is far easier politically.

This is "fairness" - it's inefficient, unproductive, pessimistic and self-defeating, but it's "fair", and it sometimes gets votes.

Personally, I'll take efficiency, productivity, optimism and success, and worry later about "fairness".