Kerry Dukic v Robert Taylor shoot off

**Robert Taylor** · 13th December 2011, 22:48

Lets suffice to say that road racing is only a sideshow and in fact most of the work is making everday roadbikes ride bumps a hell of a lot better but also with much improved chassis control.
In reality most suspension tuners in NZ have cordial relationships with one another and will often purchase components off one another and where a trust will not be belied will often exchange a little bit of setting info. I will help anyone that is genuine and sincere, I think thats a reasonable expectation.

**ducatilover** · 13th December 2011, 23:01

I have an idea.
Get Robert to set up my bike.
I'll ride it for a year (assuming I don't flip it again.
Then deck it out with Kerry's gear and repeat.
I won't charge to help out.

**jellywrestler** · 14th December 2011, 06:42

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

I will help anyone that is genuine and sincere, I think thats a reasonable expectation.

I consider myself both genuine and sincere, would you be able to give me a lift to Firecats in Pamlerston North after the races on saturday please?

**MIXONE** · 14th December 2011, 06:51

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

I consider myself both genuine and sincere, would you be able to give me a lift to Firecats in Pamlerston North after the races on saturday please?

Is that the nipple bar?I went there once and there aint no tits.

**crazy man** · 14th December 2011, 06:57

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

I say we bring a big mat to manfeild and a couple of SUMO wrestling outfits for them
It would be funnier than a fight in church i reckon

like 2 men enter 1 man leave like madmax

**crazy man** · 14th December 2011, 07:07

Originally Posted by Mental Trousers

What the thread starter is after is to poke sharp sticks at people and giggle at the outcome. I'm sure he's hoping for a shit fight that even the Brothers Mair would be proud of.

However, I think all you'll get out of Robert is quality components ......... well set up suspension ......... bloody Labour/NZ First voters should be shot ......

l thought we were mates

after last weekend now you want to shoot me

**Edbear** · 14th December 2011, 07:15

Different strokes for different folks and all that. What suits one rider won't suit even his teammate and it's all about rider confidence to push as hard as he can.

Ohlins is one of the best brands around but another rider may prefer another brand if it is set up to suit his personal riding style.

In the end it's so close that individual set up is more important than what brand of suspension you are using. If the K-tech guy sets his up better than the Ohlin's guy for a particular rider, that rider may well decide K-tech is better than Ohlins.

Craig Shirriffs commented that in race two on Sat. he felt a lack of confidence after being very comfortable in race one. What was the difference between races? He was still running the same suspension yet he said the bike felt different.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 14th December 2011, 07:31

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

I say we bring a big mat to manfeild and a couple of SUMO wrestling outfits for them
It would be funnier than a fight in church i reckon

Kerry Dukie always wears a sumo suit anyway, so a bit unfair.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 14th December 2011, 07:42

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**avgas** · 14th December 2011, 08:48

Originally Posted by Drew

My submission to the cause, the loser stops peddling their brand.

My 2c.
I would like to see both compared to a crappy standard susp setup (even Showa), then a slightly more expensive brand (Konis etc).

I would love to see a hardtail in the test.........but even I know that is going too far.

**FROSTY:Me** · 14th December 2011, 08:59

My view on this is simple. Competition always improves EVERYBODIES performance. Look at the kind of service we have had in the past from total monopolies.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 14th December 2011, 09:09

Originally Posted by FROSTY

My view on this is simple. Competition always improves EVERYBODIES performance. Look at the kind of service we have had in the past from total monopolies.

The best local example is Telecom after privatisation. All the directors, and all the GMs should be put against the wall and shot. No, I dont have shares and never have.

**Shaun** · 14th December 2011, 10:46

I was asked directly by a certain companies CEO about a certain person being the distributor of there quality equipment

I replied with PROVEN fact of Poor quality workman ship regarding this person in the interest of RIDER SAFETY!

Nothing personell at all just genuine concern, as I know what it is like to be realy injured from a crash, and it hurts more than just the rider, family friends etc

**Biggles08** · 14th December 2011, 10:51

Originally Posted by Edbear

...Different strokes for different folks and all that. What suits one rider won't suit even his teammate and it's all about rider confidence to push as hard as he can..

That's it 100% in a nutshell!

If the rider is confident in whatever is under him then he will swear by the brand and the technician. It doesn't really matter (well it does but for the point I'm making it doesn't) the science behind the suspension, it's ALL about how the rider feels about it. This responsibility is not only on the technician to get right either, the rider needs to feel confident in the feedback he is giving...in other words, if I describe a feeling I am getting from the bikes handling and the technician asks more question surrounding that feeling, I am more confident in the resulting changes made, possibly making me 'think' the bike is actually better than it is...commonly called the 'placebo effect.' This is a very real thing and shouldn't be underestimated.

This is one thing I have found Robert Taylor to be very good at, giving confidence to me by listening to my comments and making any adjustments he sees as necessary. It worked extremely well in the last couple of rounds of the 2010 Nats with Chris Suchich being the 'in-between man' for me and Robert.

Robert is very professional in the manner in which he deals with the grey matter between the ears of racers, that is why I have decided to use his services this year...it works for me.