Congratulations 48%

[BoristheBiter]

I didn't enjoy oblivion, but I didn't really give it much of a chance.

Skyrim is one of the better games I have played, Its scope is epic.

I've gone back to oblivion after not playing for a year or so as is it would freeze every time i left this house i had saved in so had to start again.

O well only 134 days and i should be back to where i was up to.

[shrub]

Meh, Ive played thousands of hours of video games, Enjoyed every second of it, My life is awesome. who are you say what I need to get?

That aside, Its a fact that buying the railway system for as much as they did was a bad move, Not my belief, and I'm not going to argue facts against your "beliefs".

And i've spent thousands of hours getting an advanced education. I guess that's the difference between us - I have learned shit about how the real world works whereas you have vanquished dragons.

And it's your belief that buying the railway system was a bad idea, a belief you are unable to support even in a KB debate. If it was factual you would be able to counter my arguments.

[Headbanger]

And i've spent thousands of hours getting an advanced education. I guess that's the difference between us - I have learned shit about how the real world works whereas you have vanquished dragons.

exactly, more fool you.


The difference between us is I'm glad you followed a road that suited you.

None of which makes buying back the railroads at an inflated price a good deal.

[shrub]

That pill is still dissolving.
The exact opposite of what he wanted to happen, happened anyway (just slower).
Telecom, CHH, Energy companies.....used NZ as a cash cow. Draining every dollar by slow increases because they had no competition. Keynesian economic problems occurred without market forces as natural dominant (government unfavored) companies suddenly grabbed more control that their market regulated counterparts.
We became a dumping/laundering ground for cash as it was not invested due to government having control over firms. So rather than international investment going into firms in NZ, the went into debt bonds - which means that while we did grow, we grew slower than everyone else because firms now had debt overhanging them.
This all went balls up in 87 when, everyone had debt and suddenly the interest rates changed.

So we avoided the euro crisis to adopt the american one.
The credit rating dropped twice.

So we avoided a greece style riot, because people worked their arses off to make sure the banks didn't kick them out of their homes while they tried to pay 20% interest rates.

The only people who did good were the people doing FOREX and using NZ as a cash dump.

Then the next government minister went and reversed it (also not so good).

Nope its better when governments don't adopt god like images of themselves and then attempt to change market economics. They only cause Chaos. Likewise "special taxing" simply fucks around with peoples lives.

Pretty much on the money. When Mother England paid us whatever we asked for our shit in exchange for the lives of a few thousand lads with rifles we were fine, but when that all changed we shut our eyes and pretended it wasn't happening. Most of the initial reforms were needed and worked well, but what happened next was the bad part. Using the pill analogy we kept on taking the same pill when the sickness was healed and when we stopped improving (because we were healed) we played around with the dose.

[shrub]

exactly, more fool you.

I guess we have a different definition of a fool.

None of which makes buying back the railroads at an inflated price a good deal.

What would have made it a good deal? What would the costs of not purchasing it in 2008 have been? What would have been the advantages of purchasing it later? Would the price have dropped? Would it even have been available later? Would we have had the money to buy it later? Can you answer these challenges, or is your opinion based on what Wayne down at the pub reckons? After all, not only does he have a grouse ute and a smokin hot missus, but he's a level 3 Elf Lord Warrior, so ya gotta listen to him.

[MisterD]

What would have made it a good deal? What would the costs of not purchasing it in 2008 have been? What would have been the advantages of purchasing it later? Would the price have dropped? Would it even have been available later? Would we have had the money to buy it later?

One might venture to suggest that someone negotiating on behalf of the government, who even had an attitude that they would like to buy, but only at the right price, would have been an improvement. Cullen going in with "I'm desperate to do this for political reasons, and I want to spend all the money before I'm booted out of office." written all over his dumb face was a recipe for the shafting the taxpayer got.

Talk to someone in the road transport industry about the effect that Toll, with piles of our money and free rent on Kiwirail properties, has had on smaller businesses.

[Headbanger]

I guess we have a different definition of a fool.

The point being that I have also invested untold thousands of effort into my career, and received the payoff for it, The fact that you would try and make a point out of what I do for entertainment shows one of your short comings.

That aside, I don't consider you a fool, quite the opposite, I read everything you say with interest. The other guy, the one who ran away to Japan, he's a fool.

What would have made it a good deal? What would the costs of not purchasing it in 2008 have been? What would have been the advantages of purchasing it later? Would the price have dropped? Would it even have been available later? Would we have had the money to buy it later? Can you answer these challenges, or is your opinion based on what Wayne down at the pub reckons? After all, not only does he have a grouse ute and a smokin hot missus, but he's a level 3 Elf Lord Warrior, so ya gotta listen to him.

The pub is only slightly more credible then Kiwibiker, which for some reason you have chosen as your platform to speak to the world at large.

My opinion is based on a huge expenditure for scrap, requiring almost limitless financial support.

[shrub]

One might venture to suggest that someone negotiating on behalf of the government, who even had an attitude that they would like to buy, but only at the right price, would have been an improvement. Cullen going in with "I'm desperate to do this for political reasons, and I want to spend all the money before I'm booted out of office." written all over his dumb face was a recipe for the shafting the taxpayer got.

And what evidence do you have to support that argument? Or is that just what you feel might have happened?

[MisterD]

And what evidence do you have to support that argument? Or is that just what you feel might have happened?

Exhibit A) Michael Cullen pays ridiculously over the odds for a heap of C18th technology.

Exhibit B) Michael Cullen gloats "We've spent the lot!"

Not too many dots to join really.

[shrub]

Exhibit A) Michael Cullen pays ridiculously over the odds for a heap of C18th technology.

Ah, that explains it, you believe the rail network including ferries was 18th century technology. In the 18th century they still used sail and horses and carts, and if that's what had been purchased anything more than a couple of grand would have been a waste of money.

Exhibit B) Michael Cullen gloats "We've spent the lot!"

Did he really say that? Can you provide proof, or is that just what you think he might have said? What if he had said "Do you get wafers with it?"? Or "Hah, bet that pisses MisterD off".

[BoristheBiter]

Ah, that explains it, you believe the rail network including ferries was 18th century technology. In the 18th century they still used sail and horses and carts, and if that's what had been purchased anything more than a couple of grand would have been a waste of money.



Did he really say that? Can you provide proof, or is that just what you think he might have said? What if he had said "Do you get wafers with it?"? Or "Hah, bet that pisses MisterD off".

http://nominister.blogspot.com/2008/...d-we-dont.html

[shrub]

http://nominister.blogspot.com/2008/...d-we-dont.html

God, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. You supported MisterD's argument with a link to a right wing blog that is filled with incorrect data and this lovely statement: ""We've spent the lot!" or words to that effect, said Michael Cullen after the last budget."

He never said it. Ever. It's what a few idiots think he might have said. I think he might have said "I need to mow the lawns this weekend", so that is now what he said and not "We've spent the lot!".

[BoristheBiter]

God, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. You supported MisterD's argument with a link to a right wing blog that is filled with incorrect data and this lovely statement: ""We've spent the lot!" or words to that effect, said Michael Cullen after the last budget."

He never said it. Ever. It's what a few idiots think he might have said. I think he might have said "I need to mow the lawns this weekend", so that is now what he said and not "We've spent the lot!".

http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/De...get-Debate.htm

Try that one.

[Headbanger]

I think he might have said "I need to mow the lawns this weekend", so that is now what he said and not "We've spent the lot!".

Really?

He mows his own lawns?

He is still a cunt.

[shrub]

http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/De...get-Debate.htm

Try that one.

I see. If you look closely you will see that it was actually Wayne Mapp speaking, and not Michael Cullen. Someone saying that someone else said something doesn't make it true. If I reckon that BoristheBiter said "I'm going to buy Shrub a million bottles of Steinlager" does that mean you said it? If so, where's my beer? I'm powerful thirsty.