Child abuse: when the FUCK are we going to actually take this seriously?

[BoristheBiter]

so you told your girlfriend/partner that you giveth no pleasure before holy matrimony? or are you one of those that decide that only vaginal penetration is sex, and all the other stuff is fun?

and if married, you will only were a stylish capote to prevent transmitting the Human Papillamavirus HPV,(because it happens to married people too) and you of course will only go bold and naked if you want to re-produce....?

and when you have a girl child you will insist in abstinence instead of providing her with the vaccine that actually prevents the Virus, so she will stay virtuous?

And you consider this educated and smart and you live in the 21st century?

Education is the only way together with free and easily available options to prevent and or stop a pregnancy.

You are so far off the beaten track.
I said nothing for which you comment on, I mealy stated that the only 100% safe contraceptive method is abstinence and this has nothing to do with any needs/cultural background/upbringing.

I am not stupid enough, tho some on here would beg to differ, to think that all will have the will power to keep their legs shut and this was not what i was commenting on.

[PrincessBandit]

Wow. Bluerider, I must say your rants equal those of any fully fledged member of the God squad!

While I agree that you do have some valid points, you seem to be incapable of accepting that others have a different viewpoint.

Abstinence IS the only fail safe contraceptive. Of course as soon as intercourse takes place there is the possibility of pregnancy - pill, condom whatever, all of them fail at some point. As for abstinence not needing to be taught - oh, don't make me laugh. Any number of people have sex through societal expectations, having it pushed at them that "if they're not doing it there must be something wrong with them" etc.

Education is all very well and jolly but has the exponentially increased availability of it had any DECREASE effect on unwanted pregnancies?

Get over yourself and your high horse.

[MSTRS:Me]

The more freely available (especially if free) methods of contraception and abortion there are, the more reason there is for (young) people to indulge themselves. And we all know that no contraceptive is 100% effective. Apart from abstinence as Boris said.
There was, is, and will be, no easy answer to the problem of unwanted pregnancy. Secrecy doesn't work and nor does shouting about it from the rooftops.
I suspect that if DPB was not increased to cover extra children (whilst on it for one already) would help as a method of curbing that particular part of the problem.

[The Singing Chef]

_abstinence is a choice that one makes according to their needs/cultural background/upbringing etc. , no teaching required. don't want sex, don't have it.
but to say its the only safe method? Only until one has sex without protection.....boom a bun in the oven.



_a fetus is a living human being once born. Until this moment the women is already a living human being that might not be able to care for the future child. and her rights supersede that of the future human being.
and again, not everyone will choose abortion. I just want it to be accessible to all females that need one.

my points were not aimed at young people per se, they were merely a reflection on smokeu's musing on how to prevent people from "breeding".

all the options that I have listed are valid, none is to be discouraged. but I do insist that abstinence, especially based and founded on religious principle does not work, but will end only in slut shaming the girl, once she gets pregnant because she had gasp sex.

Abstinence is the only 100% effective way in regards to not getting pregnant, Anal sex not included.

A fetus is actually a living being, far before it is squeezed out into the world, it moves, it kicks, it feeds, I would even go as far to say that it probably has some form of thoughts going on inside that little head as well.
I think that having free abortion available to all women is slightly flawed, since then it becomes a matter of not giving a shit and then everyone gets pregnant because "Hey, it's now a disposable baby", how long would it take till you see bags of dead babies in the trash because our already disposable culture then moves onto human beings.

It is an exaggerated example I know, but it has a point.

People need to take responsibility for their actions and pregnancy is a huge issue where people skive off on. It comes down to how they have been brought up and what they then think is normal. That's where we need to change things, break the cycle and hit it at the root.

[meteor]

Good on Paula Bennett... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10774563

It's no ones fault but her own... so easy for her and defence lawyers to blame everyone but the one doing the crime... As a society we must start holding people accountable for their actions and stop deferring blame to some newly found medical condition, some ones poor ubringing or some other govt. department.

That mother is an evil mental inhuman bitch who has no right to breed, she should be steralised. My heart sinks when I hear these sorts of things. What a horrible start to life that poor wee kid had.

[cold comfort]

I''ll consider the govt are taking it seriously when we have a dedicated Minister for Children. If we can have a Minister for bloody Racing doesn't seem too much to ask.

[SS90]

Good on Paula Bennett... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10774563

It's no ones fault but her own... so easy for her and defence lawyers to blame everyone but the one doing the crime... As a society we must start holding people accountable for their actions and stop deferring blame to some newly found medical condition, some ones poor ubringing or some other govt. department.

That mother is an evil mental inhuman bitch who has no right to breed, she should be steralised. My heart sinks when I hear these sorts of things. What a horrible start to life that poor wee kid had.

The way the "Egg donor" (The term Mother would imply some sort of maternal actions/instincts) wrote to John Key, and more or less attempted manipulate him to give her a lump sum payment "for her daughters suffering" shows exactly what sort of person she is.... Shit.

Just like when you see 1 Rat..... There are 100 you don't..... This woman is simply ONE that has been caught (and I must say, she received a suitable sentence!), and I am sure that there are other kids in the community that are having it worse, or at best similar, that we just don't know about.

2012 will tell all.... I predict worse to come, not better.

[Edbear]

Abstinence is the only 100% effective way in regards to not getting pregnant, Anal sex not included.

A fetus is actually a living being, far before it is squeezed out into the world, it moves, it kicks, it feeds, I would even go as far to say that it probably has some form of thoughts going on inside that little head as well. I think that having free abortion available to all women is slightly flawed, since then it becomes a matter of not giving a shit and then everyone gets pregnant because "Hey, it's now a disposable baby", how long would it take till you see bags of dead babies in the trash because our already disposable culture then moves onto human beings.

It is an exaggerated example I know, but it has a point.

People need to take responsibility for their actions and pregnancy is a huge issue where people skive off on. It comes down to how they have been brought up and what they then think is normal. That's where we need to change things, break the cycle and hit it at the root.

More than that it feels pain, it responds as it hears what is going on outside the womb. I've not only raised three chioldren myself, but my eldest daughter is preggies for the second time and our no.2 grandson is due in January. We have learned a lot about conception, development in the womb and birth. I am totally against abortion and anyone who is pro, probably has no idea how it is performed and ther effect on teh uinborn, it is barbaric and cruel, inhumane and causes pain and suffering for a child that feels it and we would prosecute anyone treating even a dog in this way.

I''ll consider the govt are taking it seriously when we have a dedicated Minister for Children. If we can have a Minister for bloody Racing doesn't seem too much to ask.

We did, wasn't he prosecuted for kiddy fiddling?

[MSTRS:Me]

Minister. Commissioner. Not the same thing.

[The Singing Chef]

More than that it feels pain, it responds as it hears what is going on outside the womb. I've not only raised three chioldren myself, but my eldest daughter is preggies for the second time and our no.2 grandson is due in January. We have learned a lot about conception, development in the womb and birth. I am totally against abortion and anyone who is pro, probably has no idea how it is performed and ther effect on teh uinborn, it is barbaric and cruel, inhumane and causes pain and suffering for a child that feels it and we would prosecute anyone treating even a dog in this way.



We did, wasn't he prosecuted for kiddy fiddling?

Yea, there are more than a few stories about how the abortions are performed, and them still being alive after performing the abortion.
If I was to somehow get a girl pregnant, I would support her through either decision, but I would be on the side of keeping it. It is my fault and it is my burden. Just like jumping on a motorbike, I understand that there can be consequences and I accept that fully and if I hurt myself that is my responsibility and my own fault, although if it is bad enough other people could end up looking after me which wouldn't be nice.

[Edbear]

Minister. Commissioner. Not the same thing.

Ah, yes, my memory is somewhat unreliable at times. I did like the way Paula Bennet is putting the responsibility back on the parents. Smacking is one thing and may be unjustified and done out of frustration and anger, but what this wee girl and her brother went through is inexcusable.

Yea, there are more than a few stories about how the abortions are performed, and them still being alive after performing the abortion.
If I was to somehow get a girl pregnant, I would support her through either decision, but I would be on the side of keeping it. It is my fault and it is my burden. Just like jumping on a motorbike, I understand that there can be consequences and I accept that fully and if I hurt myself that is my responsibility and my own fault, although if it is bad enough other people could end up looking after me which wouldn't be nice.

Are you seriously suggesting people should take responsibility for their choices..? How novel... What about this freedom and rights thing which for most people seems to mean they can do what they like anyhow or time they like and blame someone else, especially the authorities when they get caught and prosecuted for it. (Like KB'rs getting a ticket for speeding...)

[The Singing Chef]

Ah, yes, my memory is somewhat unreliable at times. I did like the way Paula Bennet is putting the responsibility back on the parents. Smacking is one thing and may be unjustified and done out of frustration and anger, but what this wee girl and her brother went through is inexcusable.



Are you seriously suggesting people should take responsibility for their choices..? How novel... What about this freedom and rights thing which for most people seems to mean they can do what they like anyhow or time they like and blame someone else, especially the authorities when they get caught and prosecuted for it. (Like KB'rs getting a ticket for speeding...)

Hmm, maybe hoping.

[oneofsix]

A headline by Fairfax Media suggests an ex child commissioner is blaming us for failing our kids because some people are abusive. He didn't. He does raise concerns about the current focus on avoid welfare dependency verses what is required to raise a child. He is wrong in suggesting that we are currently somehow worse than in the past, look at the victorian era society treated kids and the poor.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6177...g-our-children

Yes there are still problems and often people can't see the forest for the trees, get so focused on a single hobby horse they don't see the collateral damage. I guess it is looking for the silver bullet, the economic cookie cutter solution, that, IMO, doesn't not exist because you are dealing with individuals.

[nodrog:Me]

I suspect that if DPB was not increased to cover extra children (whilst on it for one already) would help as a method of curbing that particular part of the problem.

A punch in the guts would be more effective.

[oneofsix]

A punch in the guts would be more effective.

Did hear of one mother who's "partner" didn't like contraceptives of any type and trapped her into pregnancies (many ending in secret abortions). In this case something sharp to the nuts would have been more effective.