So they found the cunt, and he's sixteen years old

[Flip]

I could go with revenge on this one.

Some crimes are just too nasty for anything else.

[Zamiam]

We do??? Where's that then???
We have a legal system not by any means a justice system & should never be confused with one.

Too right and the legal system only works for those with the deepest pockets

[Ronin]

Remember he is being dealt with (for now) under the Youth Court system. Assuming he is found guilty then the outcome is unlikely to be anything like what most people would call "justice". Although interestingly the charge of sexual violation carries a maximum sentence of 20 years. If you are found guilty of sexual violation the Judge MUST impose a prison sentence. There is also no presumption of law that a person is incapable of sexual connection because of his or her age.

[Berries]

It truely is a sad and real fact of our society that we have this sort of "event", and I believe we are all responsible in part for it.

What's this "we" shit?

[KiWiP]

Hope none of the more vigorous posters on this thread aren't on the jury.

He's been arrested and charged and will face the charges presented.

He has not been found guilty.

Until he has been found guilty he is innocent. The assumption of innocence is a FUNDAMENTAL right of our society. It is what separates us from the gob shite, hand choppers and stoners of virgins.

The crime is absolutely horrific and all steps should be taken to ensure it doesn't happen again, but be realistic it will, until we take a little more interest in such issues beyond screaming "HANG THE FUCKER" hysterically each time a vile act comes to us through the media.

Here's a couple of places you can get started to really make a difference

http://www.childmatters.org.nz/
http://www.jigsaw.org.nz
http://www.bigbrothersbigsisters.org.nz
http://www.firstfoundation.co.nz

Those who seek physical retribution if he is found guilty I have no argument against you. However you must accept to be judged as you judge. That is if you get done transgressing any of the laws of our society (speeding ticket, parking fine etc) don't you dare come back onto this forum bleating about how you have been so hard done by.

If he is found guilty he will receive a sentence. If it falls short of castration and force feeding of his knackers many of you will feel hard done by and start bleating on this site to that effect. Well don't bother because it won't make a piss in the oceans difference. If it matters so much to you then get involved, write to the ministry of justice http://www.justice.govt.nz or your local MP http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/AboutParl/GetInvolved/ . There's no point in lifting your frock in indignation in this forum because it won't make a difference. If you do want to make a difference then do something about it.

If you didn't vote you have no voice, just go fuck yourself

Here's to justice!

p.s. I do work with children and children's charities before you start with 'well what do you know!'

[Stirts]

OH FFS.... I don’t give a rats arse if he was abused or came from a dysfunctional feral fucked-up family!! I am SO fucken fed up with this PC BULLSHIT making excuses for these type of fucktards. What he has done is DISGUSTING, SICK, PSYCHOTIC, and PERVERTED, END OF FUCKING STORY!!!! So how about we put the blame where it clearly belongs .... WITH THE OFFENDER!!!

Well done to the Police for making a speedy arrest too!!! I only hope like hell they have got the evidence they need to put this sicko away, if he is infact the guilty one. Would be nice to see "the powers that be" have the balls and take the opportunity to make an example of this type of offender!!

[oldrider]

there will be a lot more of these, unless u system no to the "trickle down theory and its ilk....
at least with benmore the socially disadvantaged had a life .....

stephen

What the hell are you smoking? ... Hello!

[Scuba_Steve]

How does it work on your planet?

Enquiring minds.

What NZ, Earth? Simple answer would be, we protect the guilty while prosecuting the innocent.

Until he has been found guilty he is innocent. The assumption of innocence is a FUNDAMENTAL right of our society. It is what separates us from the gob shite, hand choppers and stoners of virgins.

You should try telling the legal system that. I too would like to think we are, but truth is slowly by slowly we are becoming a guilty until proven innocent legal system. It's only a matter of time before we try following America & introducing laws to skip charges & trials all together.

Those who seek physical retribution if he is found guilty I have no argument against you. However you must accept to be judged as you judge. That is if you get done transgressing any of the laws of our society (speeding ticket, parking fine etc) don't you dare come back onto this forum bleating about how you have been so hard done by.

slightly different don't you think? the 2 laws you point out are ones that exist purely to make money, and are not in society's best interest. They are also 2 laws where the guilty until proven innocent model is already applied. But you somehow imply getting scammed for speeding is somehow as bad as assaulting with the intent to sexually abuse a 5yr old girl I think you need to re-look at your morals/opinions.

If he is found guilty he will receive a sentence. If it falls short of castration and force feeding of his knackers many of you will feel hard done by and start bleating on this site to that effect. Well don't bother because it won't make a piss in the oceans difference. If it matters so much to you then get involved, write to the ministry of justice http://www.justice.govt.nz or your local MP http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/AboutParl/GetInvolved/ . There's no point in lifting your frock in indignation in this forum because it won't make a difference. If you do want to make a difference then do something about it.

It's not only that it'll fall short of what should be done, it's that it'll fall short of almost any punishment at all (going by past cases). As for getting involved? I think you have to higher opinion of what that'll actually achieve, people who want to do good are pushed out by those who have themselves at interest, so again unlikely to make "a piss in the oceans difference". Only difference is KB doesn't require alot of time/effort to make that "piss in the ocean difference"

Here's to justice!

Let me know when you find it

[oldrider]

Hope none of the more vigorous posters on this thread aren't on the jury.

He's been arrested and charged and will face the charges presented.

He has not been found guilty.

Until he has been found guilty he is innocent. The assumption of innocence is a FUNDAMENTAL right of our society. It is what separates us from the gob shite, hand choppers and stoners of virgins.

The crime is absolutely horrific and all steps should be taken to ensure it doesn't happen again, but be realistic it will, until we take a little more interest in such issues beyond screaming "HANG THE FUCKER" hysterically each time a vile act comes to us through the media.

Here's a couple of places you can get started to really make a difference

http://www.childmatters.org.nz/
http://www.jigsaw.org.nz
http://www.bigbrothersbigsisters.org.nz
http://www.firstfoundation.co.nz

Those who seek physical retribution if he is found guilty I have no argument against you. However you must accept to be judged as you judge. That is if you get done transgressing any of the laws of our society (speeding ticket, parking fine etc) don't you dare come back onto this forum bleating about how you have been so hard done by.

If he is found guilty he will receive a sentence. If it falls short of castration and force feeding of his knackers many of you will feel hard done by and start bleating on this site to that effect. Well don't bother because it won't make a piss in the oceans difference. If it matters so much to you then get involved, write to the ministry of justice http://www.justice.govt.nz or your local MP http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/AboutParl/GetInvolved/ . There's no point in lifting your frock in indignation in this forum because it won't make a difference. If you do want to make a difference then do something about it.

If you didn't vote you have no voice, just go fuck yourself

Here's to justice!

p.s. I do work with children and children's charities before you start with 'well what do you know!'

There's the birthplace of all this PC crap, right there! ... Unfortunately the pendulum swings too far!

[Berries]

If you didn't vote you have no voice, just go fuck yourself'

What a load of shit.

[GrayWolf]

And I'll give you fat odds he KNEW it was wrong. Responsibility for one's own actions should be foremost in law.

A planned action, goaded into it by an aquaintance, or a spur of the moment decision ... it make no difference. Even with a "family history" ... how would/could this seem right/acceptable ... to anybody ???

Having studied 'abnormal psycology, at Uni, there is one very sad fact to peadophilia, most actualy do NOT see what they are doing as 'wrong'..to them it is accceptable and 'normal'..... that is why there is such a high level of recidivism in peadophile cases.

[Bikemad]

If you didn't vote you have no voice, just go fuck yourself

it's still gonna be my tax $ that help pay for the investigation,rehabilitation and feeding and clothing the scumbag for the next few years so what the fuck does voting or not have to do with anything dickhead??
if you can get ya mates in the agencies to forgive my Tax responsibilities then i will never complain about anything again............sort of

[kiwifruit]

I feel sorry for the offender. Imagine what it's like existing within his mind.... it'd be a scary place to be.

[FJRider]

Having studied 'abnormal psycology, at Uni, there is one very sad fact to peadophilia, most actualy do NOT see what they are doing as 'wrong'..to them it is accceptable and 'normal'..... that is why there is such a high level of recidivism in peadophile cases.

If that were the case in this incident ... why didn't he hang around for a cup of tea (or a beer) with the parents ... ???

[Zamiam]

... The assumption of innocence is a FUNDAMENTAL right of our society. ...

I wish I lived in your world. As pointed out by others there are plenty of "laws" in NZ where this is not the case and more are passed every year. Its great for the system that it's put the cost (time and money) on the accused to prove their innocence instead of on the system to prove their case "beyond reasonable doubt". RIGHTS they are things each generation has less and less of - we are moving more and more back towards a serfdom type of society - we are all just too apathetic to do anyting about it other than bleat around our handles or on forums such as KBer.

Having dealt with the NZ legal system a few times on a business basis where I have been in the right but have had to back off as the costs became prohibitive and having witnessed others being persecuted by the system and having to "plea bargain” because they didn’t have endless funds I have absolutely no faith in our system.

The PC bullshit has got to the extent where the victim is treated worse than the offender. Maybe there is something to be said for the approach of the arab world (with some moderation) – you’ll find it difficult to continue to steal with no hands and society won’t feed you either. Quite a disincentive to steal. Here we say poor Johnny, smack him on the hand with a wet bus ticket and continue to give him a benefit which allows him plenty of time to hone his skills.