Safer Journeys for Motorcycling

[Hitcher]

Hitcher... Without doubt, you have to be the most apathetic individual I've ever encountered. Exactly the type of person the govt needs. The path of least resistance.

It's nice to have been so judged. Indeed a privilege. You're right. I have absolutely no idea about how government and the political lobbying system works. Here's hoping that I have more sense than to try and make a living from such endeavours, least my family starves to death.

[Ronin]

So when beating your head against the wall hurts, DONT KEEP DOING IT. Find a way round the bloody wall, dont just walk away and say it's too hard. Thats just defeatism.

Starting to think that thats what I'm doing here. Too much apathy and pessimism here for me, i'm off to make a difference somewhere. My glass is Half Full, not Half Empty.

Happy New Year one and all, that is if you can bear to enjoy yourselves and be happy for a change.

Nice consistency there. So if this is the wrong forum to be trying to fix the problems, why the discussion here? The reality is, well my reality, that unless there is a chance that a politician is going to appeal to the populist opinion then they will ignore you.

[Ronin]

It's nice to have been so judged. Indeed a privilege. You're right. I have absolutely no idea about how government and the political lobbying system works. Here's hoping that I have more sense than to try and make a living from such endeavours, least my family starves to death.

God forbid indeed.

[MSTRS:Me]

Been here a bloody site longer than 5 minutes, and yes, after almost 40 years of riding bikes, and almost as many years in policy making roles I think i might know a thing or two about what needs to be done to get a collective, and heard, voice.

And, i hope you're not referring to this forum as 'the coalface' because it's absolutely the wrong place to begin trying to organise people. I've been watching with interest for years while forums such as this bitch and moan, and amount to nothing.

I dont care if your talking motorcyclists or kindergarten kids, everybody can become united in the pursuit of a common goal. Trick is to make the goal worth pursuing, and thats never going to happen on this forum.

If you're not going to make submissions on the current draft document before the Feb deadline then thats your choice, but make no mistake about it, Its YOUR choice, and if that choice is to do nothing then accept responsibility for YOUR choice and dont complain about what you get, and i have no further interest in discussing it with you.

Criticise the fuck out of those who've been lobbying their MPs, made submissions to the various draft documents in all matters motorcycling, attempted to get discussions going with the likes of NZTA, etc. That's a surefire way to get the support of those who have been ignored, ridiculed and stabbed in the back by their colleagues, and are now reduced to 'bitching on here'...

I'll ask again...if you're so passionate about making a difference, and we're all such useless twats, where the fuck were you when 'we' needed someone who knows what they are doing (your words)??

We see your lips moving, but we aint hearing anything...yet.

[Ronin]

We see your lips moving, but we aint hearing anything...yet.

Just like a cunt really.

​Did I say that out loud?

[MSTRS:Me]

Just like a cunt really.

I've heard a rumour that some even have teeth. Haven't seen one for myself though.

[Ocean1]

The time to "do" something was the just held election. The same crowd appear to have been handed a mandate to continue with their policies.

Not. Oh they'll claim that's the case, but it's unlikely you'd get >50% agreeing to flogging off state owned assets, right or wrong. If they can ignore that then we're not even on their threat radar.

I think it's going to become a larger problem in future, how do we keep an effective leash on politicians when they've finely developed the art of ballancing broad populist policy against a vast raft of unpopular but more narrowly targeted goals.

Like pricing, policing and legislating motorcyclists off the road. The future looks a bit dodgy for minorities.

[Brian d marge]

Not. Oh they'll claim that's the case, but it's unlikely you'd get >50% agreeing to flogging off state owned assets, right or wrong. If they can ignore that then we're not even on their threat radar.

I think it's going to become a larger problem in future, how do we keep an effective leash on politicians when they've finely developed the art of ballancing broad populist policy against a vast raft of unpopular but more narrowly targeted goals.

Like pricing, policing and legislating motorcyclists off the road. The future looks a bit dodgy for minorities.

tis the oldies who have the power , and they aint so doddery .....

otherwise , to in a hand basket we go

Stephen

[swbarnett]

Until we start taking a closer look at ourselves and seriously consider what has brought us to the current state of affairs ...

There is only one thing that has brought us here - PREJUDICE

It is naive in the extreme and shows a complete lack of understanding of human nature to expect each and every motorcyclist to ride to the standard to which you espouse.

While I agree with you that wether a rider comes to grief or not is larger under their control, I also understand that it is not within the realms of human nature for each and every rider to exercise that control.

[MSTRS:Me]

I see that Mr Peugeot has still not 'risen' to the challenge. Pity - he seemed to offer such promise too...

[Katman]

It is naive in the extreme and shows a complete lack of understanding of human nature to expect each and every motorcyclist to ride to the standard to which you espouse.

Are you seriously suggesting you don't believe there's any need (or room) for improvement?

[FJRider]

It is naive in the extreme and shows a complete lack of understanding of human nature to expect each and every motorcyclist to ride to the standard to which you espouse.

With the expectation that their very survival may depend on it ... I would think "Human nature" may have to adapt to different thinking ...

[actungbaby]

yes totaly with you to brother

what we can do is ride by example treat raod users like we wish to be treated with respect
am on pusbike most the time i admit i sneak infront at the lights but dont take to many risks
wear helmet dont always where day glow though , i chould get a light but havent bothered yet.

what am going to do whenh get bike going

1 ride it like i got time to get where am going in my mind not rush like late everwhere

2. indicate so people know where am going well before get there out roundabouts in and out of them

3. am not going to tailgate and sit my bike not in car drivers blind spots

4. not think i have to pass everting just because i think am on bike and should be faster than car drivers

5. stick to most these but somtimes namly rule 5 but in general try to stick to them most the time its the effort

attitude more than what the rules say in anything , iguess what hearing is true we like the doing things for aresleves all we voicing is okay do you own way but keep to you rules but more that tell others what they are.

then break them they go but you said this... blah blah okay u go i will try do that more often

i can say honestly never seen crazy biker that thought oh he going hurt himself but still we got help aresleves get

accident rate down and more young ones on bikes is all

I cant believe the pessimism and negativity of most of you. How the fuck are we going to get ANYTHING changed in our favour with attitudes like that. Get a grip people. People walk over top of you because you fucken well let them. Take some responibility for yourselves and grow some balls, instead of complaining like little girls and blaming your problems on someone else. Get off your arse for fucks sake and DO something about it.

Caseye and Katman... i'm with you.

Hitcher... Without doubt, you have to be the most apathetic individual I've ever encountered. Exactly the type of person the govt needs. The path of least resistance.

[actungbaby]

yes that the thing about bikes u know u have to no one esle going look after u in todays world

With the expectation that their very survival may depend on it ... I would think "Human nature" may have to adapt to different thinking ...

yep like alot things , ur mind goes noo way but after you tryed it and then u can go no way or think hmm

that wasint so boring after alll its still choice though hopefully. what fj saying i think

is change a ways or have them changed for use. its like headlight rule i still ride with on before

but prefer was still a choice insteed of a offence because we all can forget things

noone ones perfect where not saying we are i hope

[Brian407]

I see that Mr Peugeot has still not 'risen' to the challenge. Pity - he seemed to offer such promise too...

Never actually owned a Peugeot. Cant stand the bloody things. What 'challenge' would that be? To stay her and waste my time debating issues with the hand wringers? or actually do something pro active and start talking to people who can make a difference.

If the challenge is the first option, then forget it. I'm not a card carrying member of the whingers and whiners society that you seem to belong to, and have no intention of joining the negative and the defeated.

If it's the second option, then I've been doing that for quite some time. Rome wasnt built in a day, but Nero's destruction of it was.

As to the question about where was I in the past, my answer is quite simple "none of your effin business" !

This thread was started to draw attention the discussion document, and the need for public, i.e ours, submissions. Submit your thoughts, or not, i dont actually care what you do, because real change is effected by people with passion for thier cause, which you obviously lack. Those of us that care are actually better off without those of your ilk as you will only succeed in doing more harm than good.

As ive said before, if you dont vote, and take every available opportunity to do so, then you have absolutely no right whatsoever to complain about what you get.

Reply if you want, or not, I dont care. I wont be responding to your taunts any further, I've got bigger fish to fry.