New Zealand Superbikes and Grand Prix

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Nope.

Apparently the start of the second half of the race was held up so Stroud could get his bike repaired. Some of the other guys bikes started overheating on the dummy grid. Typical NZ racing, double standards when someone "important" needs the rules bent.

I'm led to belive thie delay cost another someone an engine too

[Billy]

No one should get special treatment or rules bent for them, whether they are Stroud or Rossi.

Or unless theyre on a Hyosung in prolite,Then they get dispensation because the bikes too slow(Apparently),Pity someone forgot to tell me that seeing as Im on the roadrace commission and help make the rules,Dont remember seeing that one through my inbox,Must have gone straight to the Hyosung riders only.

[wharfy]

Nope.

Apparently the start of the second half of the race was held up so Stroud could get his bike repaired. Some of the other guys bikes started overheating on the dummy grid. Typical NZ racing, double standards when someone "important" needs the rules bent.

I was only watching via live-timing but the hold up appeared to be due to the officials discussing with Stroud whether or not he should be there at all. That would not have happened if they had already decided he could race and the were holding the grid up for him ?
If your bike is likely to get hot on the dummy grid shut it down. The superbikes are supposed to have their starters working

[White trash]

Nope.

Apparently the start of the second half of the race was held up so Stroud could get his bike repaired. Some of the other guys bikes started overheating on the dummy grid. Typical NZ racing, double standards when someone "important" needs the rules bent.

No it's not. The rules are the rules. He shouldn't have crashed in the first place and this wouldn't have happened. No one should get special treatment or rules bent for them, whether they are Stroud or Rossi.

Ooooooohhhhhh careful there Kirk. Four years ago when I questioned the sportsmanship regarding rule bending in benefit of "top teams" I got forever labelled a winger and a crybaby.

That being said, I don't think delaying the start of a race to allow a competitor time to catch up is actually breaking a rule is it?

[White trash]

Or unless theyre on a Hyosung in prolite,Then they get dispensation because the bikes too slow(Apparently),Pity someone forgot to tell me that seeing as Im on the roadrace commission and help make the rules,Dont remember seeing that one through my inbox,Must have gone straight to the Hyosung riders only.

Hey dude. The way the rules for Prolite are being enforced is awesome. It's what the sport needs to ensure total parity and it's a shame it's taken this long for a class to be properly policed.

However, my personal thoughts are that it's unprofessional for a board member to be slagging competitors on a public forum. I think that you guys are supposed to be above that. Not sure.

[White trash]

I'm led to belive thie delay cost another someone an engine too

Rubbish. They've all got temp gauges and should know how to read them. Turning the bike off and raising your hand would lead to an aborted start.

[Billy]

Hey dude. The way the rules for Prolite are being enforced is awesome. It's what the sport needs to ensure total parity and it's a shame it's taken this long for a class to be properly policed.

However, my personal thoughts are that it's unprofessional for a board member to be slagging competitors on a public forum. I think that you guys are supposed to be above that. Not sure.

Yip,Valid point Jimmy,However I am not a board member,Commission only and after youve informed the said competitors more than once over a 12 month period and they still turn up at round 1 of the Nationals with the same mods and plead ignorance it starts to wear a bit thin,I have also had dialogue with one rider today and have listened to his points,But the facts are the rules are there for everybody to read,Those that choose not to do so and then pretend they didnt know need to be outed,

Furthermore I dont think it was handled in the correct manner and I have let those involved know my position,If they choose to take it further then so be it,But Im sure you have read our post regarding getting this class off the ground last year and the lengths I had to go to and the funds I had to invest out of my own pocket because the distributors who are onboard full steam now didnt want to take the risk and I am not going to stand by and let it turn into the farce the old 250 proddy became,I know whos encouraging this behaviour and it doesnt sit well with me when other clubs let it go at club level and then leave it too us to tidy up come Nationals time.

Rant over,As you were.

[White trash]

Good points and some I hadn't considered.

The fact that some of these guys are flying in the face of the rules especially after being forewarned does smack a little of sheer arrogance.

[Drew]

Mylaps show the leaders completing 5 laps with Sellars/holmes having completed 4 laps. 6.13.B.a states the 1st part results are to be a lap before the red flag is shown so 4 laps. part 2 of the race is to be a duration to make up the original length 6.13.B.b, by my calculation this means the restart should have been 11 not 10 laps? 6.13.B.d requires restarting riders to have completed 65% of the leaders 1st part laps ie 65% of 4 laps not 5.

The previous completed lap to the red flag being shown, I think you'll find. Bugden had well and truly crossed the line a fifth time (putting him on lap 6) when the red flag came out.

[Billy]

The previous completed lap to the red flag being shown, I think you'll find. Bugden had well and truly crossed the line a fifth time (putting him on lap 6) when the red flag came out.

Yerr,Its a bit of a dogs breakfast the old redflag rule,I brought it up with the commission chairman late last year and suggested it should be clarified as it appears there are 2 different rulings for when the race is called what stands as 65%,Glad I'm not down there to have to sort it out.Especially when Stroudy's involved,Hes not frightened to take it further if need be!!!

[Drew]

Yerr,Its a bit of a dogs breakfast the old redflag rule,I brought it up with the commission chairman late last year and suggested it should be clarified as it appears there are 2 different rulings for when the race is called what stands as 65%,Glad I'm not down there to have to sort it out.Especially when Stroudy's involved,Hes not frightened to take it further if need be!!!

I can't find a rule regarding a red flag stoppage, that is not 100% clear on the number of laps and how they are counted.

[Tony.OK]

The previous completed lap to the red flag being shown, I think you'll find. Bugden had well and truly crossed the line a fifth time (putting him on lap 6) when the red flag came out.

Drew you should be a Steward.............your version seems the simplest to understand.

a. The race shall be considered to be more than one part. The race
positions at the end of the lap preceding the stopping of the race.

[Billy]

I can't find a rule regarding a red flag stoppage, that is not 100% clear on the number of laps and how they are counted.

Yea you are of course right,However when I asked about the 65% ruling on a redflag stoppage I was given a conflicting answer ie the redflag was counted back a lap from the leader but the 65% was not ??? Like I said,Glad I'm not there to sort it haha!

[Crasherfromwayback]

into the farce the old 250 proddy became,.

Whatchu talkin 'bout Willis?

[jellywrestler]

can't b there but keeping and eye on livestreaming and mylaps. See on mylaps Avalon Biddle has pole for 600's 1:25 ??? Is that a mistake Stroudy and co. on 1000's are doing 1:30's ??

edit: just looked at Avalon's individual lap times - It's obviously a mistake.

avalon s gear lever broke so she went stright ahead at the end of the main straight and came back through pit lane over the timing trigger again as it extends through the pits... hence the 1.25 time