Safer Journeys for Motorcycling

[Katman]

We need TPTB to know that we are a force to be reckoned with. We need to make them think twice before imposing their fears on us through legislation. Mass civil disobedience to any unjust law is the best tool we have. Think what would've happened if we'd gotten 100,000 bikers on the bikoi.

That is precisely why we need the general public on our side. We don't have the numbers by ourselves to cause the powers that be any lost sleep.

The 'Who's Next?' campaign had real merit but was doomed to failure because we don't have the general public's empathy. We are generally being seen as getting what we deserve.

[NONONO]

That is precisely why we need the general public on our side. We don't have the numbers by ourselves to cause the powers that be any lost sleep.

The 'Who's Next?' campaign had real merit but was doomed to failure because we don't have the general public's empathy. We are generally being seen as getting what we deserve.

And that's our own fault is it?
THIS is what Jo Public knows of bikers, This is what forms their opinion.


http://youtu.be/IqVqCSLZL1s

Oh and this
http://youtu.be/Iggrcz4PaeI

Viewing figures up 34% for this time slot when it was on, and top five "Ondemand" in NZ...
"We don't have the general public's empathy..." Oh Please!

[Katman]

"We don't have the general public's empathy..." Oh Please!

If you were one of the driving forces behind MAG, no wonder it went down the shitter.

[NONONO]

Me? shows you know nothing.
Well? Rather than just throwing out insults, how you going to counter publicity like that?
How are you going to make this biker friendly world come about?
Full of the usual, again.

[StoneY]

Me? shows you know nothing.
Well? Rather than just throwing out insults, how you going to counter publicity like that?
How are you going to make this biker friendly world come about?
Full of the usual, again.

Save your breath mate the only thing Steve will ever absorb is a punch in the face.
He is beyond reasoning with anyone and has NEVER stepped up to the batting plate anywhere except on these forum pages.

When he has opened a website, created an organisation, spent time in rooms with the gubbermint officials, written proposals, managed national campaigns, organised some protest, maybe then he would have some right to espouse the constant haranguing of his own kind the way he does.

Until then he is just a fuckwit, a big mouth, and a pain in the arse to anyone who wont bow to his epically overzealous self flagellating attacks, insults, and attempts to sound sagacious and knowledgeable.

Bring on the infringements!

[swbarnett]

That is precisely why we need the general public on our side.

What's the point of having the general public on our side if we have to betray our own identity to do it?

We don't have the numbers by ourselves to cause the powers that be any lost sleep.

If everyone who owns a motorcycle and/or holds a current motorcycle license were to join in I think we would.

The 'Who's Next?' campaign had real merit but was doomed to failure because we don't have the general public's empathy. We are generally being seen as getting what we deserve.

I don't want the general public's empathy if we have to confirm to do it. I want their empathy because they respect our right to be different. In esscence, I want their tolerance, with or without their empathy.

[Katman]

What's the point of having the general public on our side if we have to betray our own identity to do it?


If everyone who owns a motorcycle and/or holds a current motorcycle license were to join in I think we would.


I don't want the general public's empathy if we have to confirm to do it. I want their empathy because they respect our right to be different. In esscence, I want their tolerance, with or without their empathy.

So let me get this straight......

You don't want your motorcycling freedom to be further eroded and you believe that a handful of motorcyclists jumping up and down like retarded prima donnas is going to prevent it?

Fuck me, you're way more deluded than I'll ever be.

[Maha]

'The 'Who's Next?' campaign had real merit but was doomed to failure because we don't have the general public's empathy'

....and Apathy in part Steve, from those who ride bikes.
We tried and tried again as the Auckland Action Group but...as each protest ride was presented, the turnout got less and less.
I guess Bikers just got sick of the 'No Result' time after time...
To much talking and no ...in your face action...everytime the mere thought of disruption was put forward...the feet started to chill in very large numbers.
I for one will never again devote any of my time to the issues raised.
There seems to be only a handfull who give shit now...it will be a very very hard slog for the same result as before.


Peace....

[skippa1]

Save your breath mate the only thing Steve will ever absorb is a punch in the face.
He is beyond reasoning with anyone and has NEVER stepped up to the batting plate anywhere except on these forum pages.

When he has opened a website, created an organisation, spent time in rooms with the gubbermint officials, written proposals, managed national campaigns, organised some protest, maybe then he would have some right to espouse the constant haranguing of his own kind the way he does.

Until then he is just a fuckwit, a big mouth, and a pain in the arse to anyone who wont bow to his epically overzealous self flagellating attacks, insults, and attempts to sound sagacious and knowledgeable.

Bring on the infringements!

All that truth right there just earned you some bling

[swbarnett]

So let me get this straight......

You don't want your motorcycling freedom to be further eroded and you believe that a handful of motorcyclists jumping up and down like retarded prima donnas is going to prevent it?

No, not a handful. I'm talking about a concerted effort by all (or nearly all) motorcyclists.

Fuck me, you're way more deluded than I'll ever be.

Perhaps, but forgive me if I don't believe in shooting myself just to prevent someone else doing it first.

We need to fight intolerance, not condone it.

[Katman]

We need to fight intolerance, not condone it.

If that intolerance stems from a belief that a section of society is costing the country way more than their numbers justify then the intolerance itself is entirely understandable.

Should we tolerate welfare bludgers?

Should we tolerate boy racers?

Should we tolerate P labs?

[Scuba_Steve]

If that intolerance stems from a belief that a section of society is costing the country way more than their numbers justify than the intolerance itself is entirely understandable.

Should we tolerate welfare bludgers?

Should we tolerate boy racers?

Should we tolerate P labs?

Yes, fuck a hundred & 50 odd run da country. Should we like 'em? no

Yes

If you know of any? no!

[Katman]

Yes

So you're happy for sections of society to bleed the country dry?

[swbarnett]

If that intolerance stems from a belief that a section of society is costing the country way more than their numbers justify than the intolerance itself is entirely understandable.

Understandable it may be. That doesn't make it right. The value of having the right to live one's life as one sees fit while allowing all others to do the same cannot be over estimated.

Mountain climbers cost the country more than knitters on a numbers basis. Should we discriminate against mountain climbing? Perhaps ban free climbing? After all, you'd have to be a complete hoon to climb without a safety rope.

Should we tolerate welfare bludgers?

Yes. Rather a few bludgers than the cost of stopping them (both monetarily and socially).

Should we tolerate boy racers?

Yes. In the same way that I expect drivers that don't understand motorcycles to tolerate us.

Should we tolerate P labs?

Definitely. Tolerate drugs, i.e. make them legal, and the crime that surrounds drug use will disappear.



In short, the only thing that must not be tolerated is intolerance.

[Katman]

In short, the only thing that must not be tolerated is intolerance.

So basically you're saying that we need to fight for the right to have as many accidents as we want regardless of the cost to the country.

Can you not see how fucked in the head that sort of thinking is?

It's that sort of thinking that has gotten us in the shit that we're currently facing.