So they found the cunt, and he's sixteen years old

[placidfemme]

The 16-year-old was again supported by family members in court today, including his father.

I'll bet this is the first time in a long time his father has attended anything (ie soccer match, debateing team etc) his son has been involved in.

My "unfounded" opinion is such: Earlier in his prayer he said "Make me a man". To me this indicates that at some stage his "peers" (Friends, brothers, uncles and possibly father) had given him shit for possibly being a virgin... could this have pushed him to do what he did? Does this now count him as a man, and if not then does pleading guilty and accepting his punishment make him a man? I don't know, just a random connection in my peanut brain

[racefactory]

Where the fuck has personal responsibility gone these days?

Blaming it on everyone but the perpetrator- universal today. Stop the PC bullshit. Western society is sinking to ever lower levels of depravity.

[oneofsix]

My "unfounded" opinion is such: Earlier in his prayer he said "Make me a man". To me this indicates that at some stage his "peers" (Friends, brothers, uncles and possibly father) had given him shit for possibly being a virgin... could this have pushed him to do what he did? Does this now count him as a man, and if not then does pleading guilty and accepting his punishment make him a man? I don't know, just a random connection in my peanut brain

He has been made a man, at least as far as the court the case will be heard in is concerned. He will no longer get told how nice he is looking today. A small step in forcing him to realise the consequences of his actions but a good move.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...caravan-rapist

[placidfemme]

He has been made a man, at least as far as the court the case will be heard in is concerned. He will no longer get told how nice he is looking today. A small step in forcing him to realise the consequences of his actions but a good move.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...caravan-rapist

Yeah I got that. And I think that is a great move taking it out of youth Court.

In regards to the PC Bullshit responsibilty comment before, I wasn't putting the blame on anyone, just stating an unfounded idea I had just in regards to the significance of his "Make me a man" comment. Personally I don't care why he did it, if he is fucked up or if his family is fucked, I don't care if he is black or white, rich or poor. The only thing I know is he is a monster, the trigger is irrelevant. Maybe learn something from this case and his situation to help other families in his situation, to prevent the same happening again with another young kid turning into a predator. But for this little shit, his chance is gone, I don't believe he can be rehabilitated and I hope he gets the full force of the law and that for a change the NZ justice system will keep him locked up for his whole sentence.

[baffa]

12 pages, and fill of people advocating cutting his balls off.
As tempting as that is, we dont live in a third world society.
Perhaps some of our members would be more at home in a country that punishes crimes with amputation of limbs, firing squad, and various other violations of human rights.

That leaves the grown ups to make and follow laws like intelligent beings should.

[oneofsix]

Yeah I got that. And I think that is a great move taking it out of youth Court.

In regards to the PC Bullshit responsibilty comment before, I wasn't putting the blame on anyone, just stating an unfounded idea I had just in regards to the significance of his "Make me a man" comment. Personally I don't care why he did it, if he is fucked up or if his family is fucked, I don't care if he is black or white, rich or poor. The only thing I know is he is a monster, the trigger is irrelevant. Maybe learn something from this case and his situation to help other families in his situation, to prevent the same happening again with another young kid turning into a predator. But for this little shit, his chance is gone, I don't believe he can be rehabilitated and I hope he gets the full force of the law and that for a change the NZ justice system will keep him locked up for his whole sentence.

If he can treat a five year old like that I too suspect he is beyond rehabilitation but if I was to pray for anything for him it would be that he could be rehabilitated because sooner or later he will be released.
A mother that goes to court to pray for her son to be made a man seems to have missed the point of being a parent. It is not for some mystic being or force to make him a man but it is up to his upbringing, that is his parents, the people they associate with and the people he associated with.

[SMOKEU]

Maybe learn something from this case and his situation to help other families in his situation, to prevent the same happening again with another young kid turning into a predator.

Punish criminals with harsh prison sentences, and the problem will be greatly reduced.

12 pages, and fill of people advocating cutting his balls off.
As tempting as that is, we dont live in a third world society.
Perhaps some of our members would be more at home in a country that punishes crimes with amputation of limbs, firing squad, and various other violations of human rights.

That leaves the grown ups to make and follow laws like intelligent beings should.

The current justice system is clearly not working, so something needs to change. The fact remains that there always have been, and always will be members of society who are either unable, or unwilling to act like a civilized human being. These people will continue to offend as long as they are allowed back into the community, and for people like that, the only cure is to lock them up in prison until they have proved beyond a reasonable doubt that they are ready to integrate back into the community and act like a civilized human being.

You can make people do community service, put them in an anger management course, give them counselling etc but if the offender doesn't WANT to change, then no one can force them to change. Offenders can be rehabilitated, but only if they CHOOSE to do so.

[SMOKEU]

It is not for some mystic being or force to make him a man but it is up to his upbringing, that is his parents, the people they associate with and the people he associated with.

That is still not a fucking acceptable excuse for behaving like an animal. If he was abused as a child, then that's sad, but it gives him NO right whatsoever to make innocent people suffer as a result. I'm sick of hearing the same old bullshit "it's not his fault he's a violent thug, it's because his dad abused him as a child" or "it's not his fault he raped someone, it's because his uncle raped him when he was 5 years old" or "it's not his fault for getting drunk and killing someone, it's because of the easy availability of cheap liquor".

If people have the balls to act like that, then they have the balls to face the consequences.

[jasonu]

12 pages, and fill of people advocating cutting his balls off.
As tempting as that is, we dont live in a third world society.
Perhaps some of our members would be more at home in a country that punishes crimes with amputation of limbs, firing squad, and various other violations of human rights.

That leaves the grown ups to make and follow laws like intelligent beings should.

So what do you think is an appropriate punishment?

[baffa]

So what do you think is an appropriate punishment?

This is a good start http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...caravan-rapist

We all want to go on a witch hunt when these things happen, but this isnt the middle ages anymore.

[BoristheBiter]

So what do you think is an appropriate punishment?

If it was my child he would have a conversation with a 12g.

So I would say execution is an appropriate punishment.

[BoristheBiter]

This is a good start http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...caravan-rapist

We all want to go on a witch hunt when these things happen, but this isnt the middle ages anymore.

Maybe it should be?

[SMOKEU]

We all want to go on a witch hunt when these things happen, but this isnt the middle ages anymore.

If you become a victim of crime you'll change your tune. Just wait till you have a vehicle stolen or get beaten up and robbed and then I bet you'll be the first to want justice. Real, hard justice, not a pathetic fine or a few months imprisonment.

[oneofsix]

If you become a victim of crime you'll change your tune. Just wait till you have a vehicle stolen or get beaten up and robbed and then I bet you'll be the first to want justice. Real, hard justice, not a pathetic fine or a few months imprisonment.

That is presuming they can spare an officer to investigate and catch someone first, there might be an unregistered motorcyclist around
See personally I would prefer them not to be given the opportunity to commit the crime nor to be in an environment where they feel they have a right to take what they want.

[SMOKEU]

See personally I would prefer them not to be given the opportunity to commit the crime nor to be in an environment where they feel they have a right to take what they want.

A mate of mine and his parents lived in Dubai, which is a big desert. Temperatures there are extremely hot during the day, and so my mates dad was telling me that when he would go shopping he would often leave his car parked in a car park, with the key in the ignition and the engine running in order the leave the air conditioner on. Petrol was very cheap and he had a good job so the petrol cost didn't matter. He would leave the car running for a few hours at a time, unattended.

No one would steal his car. He even told me he left a brand new TV and a few expensive appliances in the back seats in plain view while the car was in a car park for a few hours, unlocked with the engine running, and no one would steal anything. Why? Because over there people are so scared of getting caught, that crime is not a common occurrence. People know that they will be punished very severely, so they behave themselves. It's simply not worth the risk of getting busted just to steal a car or TV over there.

I once went to Singapore about 3 years ago for a holiday. I went on a pub crawl in a busy part of town in the early hours of the morning on a weekend. The pubs were very busy, and I didn't see any disorderly behaviour. Sure, a few people were a bit pissed, but I didn't see any violence or any antisocial behaviour. Again, this is because people fear the laws enough to behave themselves.