Free the weed, dope, cannabis, hooch, Fri 4 Feb, outside Auckland District Courts

[Edbear]

What's wrong with feeling good? Lot's of things affect the way you feel (for the better) - coffee, tea, chocolate, sugar, exercise as some examples all of which affect brain chemistry. Some people even find going to church to worship a mythical being makes them feel happy, calm and relaxed.

The only negative point about weed that you've made is that smoke is bad for you......



Yes I do, with sanction from my quack. So what's your objection to me smoking weed?????

What do you take it for?

Smoking is a health hazard, end of argument.

My issue with Cannabis is as with alcohol and other mind altering drugs. I like to keep my faculties intact.

Contrary to user's belief the effects of these drugs is to fool the user that their faculties are enhanced whereas properly conducted research proves otherwise.

You think you are not adversely affected when in reality you are.

[haydes55]

What do you take it for?

Smoking is a health hazard, end of argument.

My issue with Cannabis is as with alcohol and other mind altering drugs. I like to keep my faculties intact.

Contrary to user's belief the effects of these drugs is to fool the user that their faculties are enhanced whereas properly conducted research proves otherwise.

You think you are not adversely affected when in reality you are.

for the 3rd time, using a vaporiser isn't harmful in any way, marijuana can be administered as an oil aswell, so there could be ways of it being legal only in certain forms. Thus no danger to anyones lungs. As it is people will smoke it legal or not. When it's illegal everyone foots the bill for the health care. If it was legal those costs can be an added tax such as alcohol.

Everyone who smokes weed knows it makes them dumber for a while, it's called getting stoned for a reason, not because your head is full of so much information that your head gets as heavy as a stone.

After regular smoking I still passed first year law at uni. Still feel as mentally able to this day as before I started smoking (even more so now as I have matured alot).

Every point you have made has ways around it, proof of the contrary or are just made up points that are about as believable as a 2000 year old fairy tale book that's been passed down through multiple corrupt governments who controlled religions to control the population easier and even rewrote the book so no one alive actually know's what was in the original book (which was written after the death of the prophet so is full of alot of hearsay and exaggeration.

If you can believe that fairytale then I can see how you believe the old legislation backed by false and misleading information.

Give me an actual negative effect of marijuana on society and I will admit defeat. seriously one single negative effect of marijuana on people other than those who smoke it. (waiting for the next post which is going to be a bitch about me not respecting his beliefs and ignoring this last part because he wont be able to think of a single adverse effect).

[ducatilover]

So all those slow "drug fucked" people I know just woke up like that, completely unrelated to marijuana smoking?

[Edbear]

So all those slow "drug fucked" people I know just woke up like that, completely unrelated to marijuana smoking?

A lot of people I worked with back in the '70's were heavy dope smokers and I was often around users as it was, or seemed to be, a lot more open back then. For years I saw first hand the effects on a variety of men and women. Nothing any user here has posted has changed my own observations.

It is only those who use it as a recreational drug to get high who are are seeking to justify themselves with irrelevant argument and personal attack. They can't even be honest with themselves. They simply want it legalised so they can get stoned openly without consequence but cannot bring themselves to admit that. They couldn't care less about health.

[haydes55]

might seem like a "I knew he was going to say that" post but I'm sure that would be from harder drugs, not marijuana. 70,000 people in NZ use it every day. If it was as a direct result of smoking weed I'm sure there would be alot more drug fucked people.

[SMOKEU]

It is only those who use it as a recreational drug to get high who are are seeking to justify themselves with irrelevant argument and personal attack. They can't even be honest with themselves. They simply want it legalised so they can get stoned openly without consequence but cannot bring themselves to admit that. They couldn't care less about health.

I'm not saying that smoking weeds is healthy and that primary school kids should be given joints at lunch time, but it's the least harmful recreational drug in existence. Compare it with alcohol, cocaine, methamphetamine, MDMA, or any other recreational drug for harm.

[Edbear]

might seem like a "I knew he was going to say that" post but I'm sure that would be from harder drugs, not marijuana. 70,000 people in NZ use it every day. If it was as a direct result of smoking weed I'm sure there would be alot more drug fucked people.

There are and it is becoming a very serious issue in many areas of life and work as well as on the road, hence the latest moves to target drug use.

I'm not saying that smoking weeds is healthy and that primary school kids should be given joints at lunch time, but it's the least harmful recreational drug in existence. Compare it with alcohol, cocaine, methamphetamine, MDMA, or any other recreational drug for harm.

For what it is worth, I don't much discriminate between most recreational drugs and have similar views about all you have mentioned. All people engaging in recreational drug use to get high, stoned, drunk or out of it on some way are lacking something in their lives IMHO.

I do recommend asking your friends and family, especially your spouse and children what they think and seriously listening to them as users are hardly in any position to judge the effects on themselves.

[mashman]

It is only those who use it as a recreational drug to get high who are are seeking to justify themselves with irrelevant argument and personal attack. They can't even be honest with themselves. They simply want it legalised so they can get stoned openly without consequence but cannot bring themselves to admit that. They couldn't care less about health.

I'm sorry, but the evidence that has been put forwards, re health, has been rendered absolutely moot by the fact that alcohol, fats, sugars, synthesized opiates etc... have been given legal status where each and every one of them has been scientifically proven to be worse than cannabis. The hypocrisy is astounding... it is a political decision not a scientific health based decision that keeps cannabis illegal. Therefore the scientific evidence and any results produced are political by nature. As cannabis is still being researched any results that have been produced are inherently incorrect, especially where the constituent parts of the cannabis plant occur in the body naturally. Any other argument is irrelevant as it is political by nature.

[mashman]

I do recommend asking your friends and family, especially your spouse and children what they think and seriously listening to them as users are hardly in any position to judge the effects on themselves.

My wife prefers me "stoned". I'll PM you my phone number and you can as her. My friends don't notice if I'm stoned or not... they just don't have a clue, even thought their children have had problems with drugs, so they do know what to look for. They all drink and don't take drugs.

[Edbear]

My wife prefers me "stoned". I'll PM you my phone number and you can as her. My friends don't notice if I'm stoned or not... they just don't have a clue, even thought their children have had problems with drugs, so they do know what to look for. They all drink and don't take drugs.

What are you like unstoned?

From what you've said so far you don't seem to qualify as a heavy user either?

[mashman]

What are you like unstoned?

From what you've said so far you don't seem to qualify as a heavy user either?

heh, more up tight... apparently.

For the last 6 months I've had a handful of joints... in fact they have only been since new year. Before then, probably every night for the previous 2 years give or take the odd month or so of not having any (heavy enough? certainly less heavy than back in the day, ahhhh back in the day)... and not proactively seeking it either, I don't need it, I choose it because I receive several benefits from it (benefits I noticed at an early age)... I'd like to be able to have those benefits without fear of prosecution though. If I could have the same benefits without the "high", then that's fine by me... but I won;t turn myself into a walking pill box to be that way where I have found something that works and has minimal side affects.

[SMOKEU]

For what it is worth, I don't much discriminate between most recreational drugs and have similar views about all you have mentioned. All people engaging in recreational drug use to get high, stoned, drunk or out of it on some way are lacking something in their lives IMHO.

So are you saying that people who have a bottle of beer to wash down their dinner are also lacking something in their lives? Alcohol is a drug, after all. It's just a legal drug.

[Edbear]

heh, more up tight... apparently.

For the last 6 months I've had a handful of joints... in fact they have only been since new year. Before then, probably every night for the previous 2 years give or take the odd month or so of not having any (heavy enough? certainly less heavy than back in the day, ahhhh back in the day)... and not proactively seeking it either, I don't need it, I choose it because I receive several benefits from it (benefits I noticed at an early age)... I'd like to be able to have those benefits without fear of prosecution though. If I could have the same benefits without the "high", then that's fine by me... but I won;t turn myself into a walking pill box to be that way where I have found something that works and has minimal side affects.

There is a reason why Cannabis is illegal and if anyone were to examine the readily available evidence from several sources independently and open-mindedly it is not solely because it is politically expedient to have it on the list along with so-called harder drugs.

So are you saying that people who have a bottle of beer to wash down their dinner are also lacking something in their lives? Alcohol is a drug, after all. It's just a legal drug.

See my reply to Mashman. If you were honest with yourself you would admit that you are hardly unbiased and open-minded. As I pointed out, it is the heavy addicted user who is most vocal in defense and does so in a way that definitely makes them sound paranoid.

I don't know where your brain is right now, but your reply to my previous post was all over the place and didn't get the point or answer the question I posed.

You said you do take it via a ventilator with your Drs. approval. Why do you take it?

I said very simply that smoking is a health hazard, something no-one can deny, and you go off on some wierd and strange verbal journey.

[Usarka]

What do you take it for?

Smoking is a health hazard, end of argument.

For the last time YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SMOKE IT. End of argument back at you, although I just know that it won't be.

My issue with Cannabis is as with alcohol and other mind altering drugs. I like to keep my faculties intact.

No coffee or tea then? Both these alter brain chemistry. Oh and exercise. You'd better not do those or your argument loses it's logic. But I'm sure you'll find a way.

Contrary to user's belief the effects of these drugs is to fool the user that their faculties are enhanced whereas properly conducted research proves otherwise.

You think you are not adversely affected when in reality you are.

Wow do you know me? Obviously not because that's about as polar opposite to realtiy as is possible.

Honestly, you seem to be judging something that don't understand and using sophistic arguments to support your uneducated judgements.

[ducatilover]

might seem like a "I knew he was going to say that" post but I'm sure that would be from harder drugs, not marijuana. 70,000 people in NZ use it every day. If it was as a direct result of smoking weed I'm sure there would be alot more drug fucked people.

There are a huge amount of drug fucked pot smokers...
Go to any mental health service.
I've worked with drug fucked pot smokers, I have had countless mates and associates who are fucked from smoking pot.
On the other hand, I know people who haven't shown any signs of less cognitive function after prolonged use.

I've been around the rough ones and the not so rough and there are many who get drug fucked, to argue otherwise is naive or ignorant.