The 155 doesn't comply, I do realise that. But just make sure that if one does show up, that it is a 155 before ya tell them to fuck off.
Ta
The 155 doesn't comply, I do realise that. But just make sure that if one does show up, that it is a 155 before ya tell them to fuck off.
Unknown Disorder
I'll do that as long as the guy with the sub 150 Forza can point me at the non competition bike the engine came out of.
None of this is going to be an issue if nobody protests, it's the false advertising that gets on my tits, and the fact that folk who have a vested interest in them, I.e. they have bought one or are selling them, insist that htey are bucket legal when they are not.
Forum whore
the 140 didn't comply either as it is advertised as a race bikeOriginally Posted by Drew
FMX140 SE (special edition) uses GPX/YX 140cc racing engine with TWIN muffler design.
This machine rips and generate 12HP, your bike will dominate the 140cc class!
if we let one race engine in then we have to let them all in
bickering is at all levels of the sport but you guys are asking us to let the rules slide just because it's a slow pos ?
(I'm a slow rider can I have an rs125 for the 150ss class?)
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Ta
Ummm, so if anyone sells a bucket and advertises it as a race bike, it is no longer eligible because it's been advertised as a competition bike?the 140 didn't comply either as it is advertised as a race bike
if we let one race engine in then we have to let them all in
bit like the real racers (wonder how they feal about a superbike in the street stock class. even if I was still slow on it I'm sure I would be told to sod off)
bickering is at all levels of the sport but you guys are asking us to let the rules slide just because it's a slow pos ? (I'm a slow rider can I have an rs125 for the 150ss class?)
Anyone can write an ad saying whatever they like. It doesn't mean it's true, or that the item for sale was built for that purpose.
Unknown Disorder
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
The rules state that the engine must be be based on a non competition engine, this has been interpreted in the past as must be road legal, somewhere. The rules were written this way as I understand it to keep costs reasonably under control.
It's widely understood amongst those who race buckets and / or have bothered to read the rule book. I'm beginning to get the feeling this thread is only being kept alive by those who feel that if the repeat falsehoods often enough they will become true, and those of us trying to prevent unwitting newbys mistakenly putting money into bikes that aren't class legal.
Blowin up bikes since ages ago
Drew, it's pretty easy mate. Lot's of people have spent alot of time, effort and in some case $$ to build their bikes too the rules, why? Because buckets is as serious as it is fun. We get grids of 40 people at some race day's. The front running guy's have poured hours and hours into tuning and building their bikes to the rule....
What also sucks is that these bikes are being advertised as buckets where they are clearly not legal. The poor innocent person buying it may not know until he turns up to one of the meets where 40 odd bikes show up and he is protested and disqualified.
Bucket racers are mostly eccentric but also good mates - we play by the rules but we sure as fuck want to kick our mates arses. Play nice now eh!
"Some people are like clouds, once they fuck off, it's a great day!"
Ta
Which is it, a cheap class, or one where ya need to spend lots to run at the front? Seems the reason for the rule is redundant now anyway.
Henk, what class of competition do you think the 140cc pit bikes were built for. Obtuse or otherwise, just because the importer has advertised it as being based on a competition motor, doesn't make it so.
Ya know I don't give a fuck though aye? I'm only making a bucket because I can't afford to race properly.
Hells, I am playing nice.
Forum whore
Well its neither of those, it just a class with a set of rules that apply equally to everyone, just like all the other classes, nowhere in the rules does it say it has to be cheap or expensive. The fact some people spend more or less is just a choice. Money doesnt make you fast
My neighbours diary says I have boundary issues
Ta
Na, but fast bikes help.
Blowin up bikes since ages ago
Well then you spend the $$.
In comparison to 'big bike' racing you don't need too spend nearly as much but it's motorsport so yeah someone will always have the best. if the rules aren't adhered too it don't make it fair, equal opportunity and all. FWIW - Hamish is a poor student who is one of the fastest riders and has spent time and saved $$ to develop his bike, anyone can do it but without the rules - where do you stop??
"Some people are like clouds, once they fuck off, it's a great day!"
Unknown Disorder
Given that a $300 shitter isn't going to be competive the way they used to be it's still a shitload cheaper than it would be if it was open slather except for capacity. The fast guys down your way are all running on well sorted bikes but I'm guessing they would have spent a lot more on build and maintenance if things were completely open. I'm guessing there aren't all that many sub $1000 CRF150Rs on the market, and that would be the engine of choice for the sharp end if they were legal in my opinion.
As for what the 140s have been designed to race in I don't know or care to be honest but I've yet to see one with a number plate. The dude selling them on TM seems to have toned his adds down a bit, they originally stated that they had been designed and built with bucket racing in mind. A statement that sort of stands on it's own merit as far as eligibility goes as far as I'm concerned.
Forum whore
Why is the rule redundant?
Forum whore
Not necessarily 'road legal'. Farm bikes for instance (TF100/125, Grasshopper) are not intended to be road legal but at the same time they ARE NOT intended for competition purposes or based on any competition motor and that makes then Bucket legal.
If you let one (Forza) grey area bike in that can (and will) lead to others wanting to race marginal machines.
BTW has there ever been an official protest made in the history of Buckets? I can't think of one.
Forum whore
I see it says non compitition ....
""24-2-4 Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles.""
Forum whore
well for $2000 (cheaper than a good mountain bike. and that dosn't have a motor) you can run at the frount easily! (if you can ride)
now again am i allowed to run anrs125 in the 150ss class (no I dont think so) so why should we change or ignore the rules !
you may be playing nice. But so do polititions (and we know they dont play by our rules)
So it's a cheap class that wants to play by the rules.
can you name me anyone that has spent more than $5000 in a year of racing (about the price of a resonable road raceing pushbike and about the coast of tyres for the weekend for some realbikre racers)
when new saftey gear costs more than most bikes I would call it a cheap class
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