Free the weed, dope, cannabis, hooch, Fri 4 Feb, outside Auckland District Courts

[Edbear]

for the 3rd time, using a vaporiser isn't harmful in any way, marijuana can be administered as an oil aswell, so there could be ways of it being legal only in certain forms. Thus no danger to anyones lungs. As it is people will smoke it legal or not. When it's illegal everyone foots the bill for the health care. If it was legal those costs can be an added tax such as alcohol.

Everyone who smokes weed knows it makes them dumber for a while, it's called getting stoned for a reason, not because your head is full of so much information that your head gets as heavy as a stone.

After regular smoking I still passed first year law at uni. Still feel as mentally able to this day as before I started smoking (even more so now as I have matured alot).

Every point you have made has ways around it, proof of the contrary or are just made up points that are about as believable as a 2000 year old fairy tale book that's been passed down through multiple corrupt governments who controlled religions to control the population easier and even rewrote the book so no one alive actually know's what was in the original book (which was written after the death of the prophet so is full of alot of hearsay and exaggeration.

If you can believe that fairytale then I can see how you believe the old legislation backed by false and misleading information.

Give me an actual negative effect of marijuana on society and I will admit defeat. seriously one single negative effect of marijuana on people other than those who smoke it. (waiting for the next post which is going to be a bitch about me not respecting his beliefs and ignoring this last part because he wont be able to think of a single adverse effect).

Your brain really is rather scrambled eh?

What is the point of me posting references to medical articles from any source? Been there, done that and got nothing but vindictiveness and blanket dismissal of all and any evidence from anyone regardles of their qualifications or the respect of the research by confirming medical scientists. You anlong with some others here have shown time and again that posting atricles of science is pointless if there is anything in it that tends to prove you wrong.

So as far as that goes, you are quite capable of finding out things for yourself. The reason you won't is two-fold. Firstly, if you were to find out something for yourself you can't resort to personal vindictiveness and shooting the messenger. Secondly, you can't flatly deny the truth of it.

You much prefer to argue from prejudice and ignorance, that way you can justify your opinions.

[Edbear]

For the last time YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SMOKE IT. End of argument back at you, although I just know that it won't be.
No coffee or tea then? Both these alter brain chemistry. Oh and exercise. You'd better not do those or your argument loses it's logic. But I'm sure you'll find a way.

Wow do you know me? Obviously not because that's about as polar opposite to realtiy as is possible.

Honestly, you seem to be judging something that don't understand and using sophistic arguments to support your uneducated judgements.

See my reply above...

[ducatilover]

Give me an actual negative effect of marijuana on society and I will admit defeat. seriously one single negative effect of marijuana on people other than those who smoke it. (waiting for the next post which is going to be a bitch about me not respecting his beliefs and ignoring this last part because he wont be able to think of a single adverse effect).

Your tax paying me to work with people who have been marijuana users and now are, to be succinct, fucked? My own mother and my best mate have gone down this road.

Do you enjoy paying someone like me to work with the ignored by-product? The small percentage of marijuana smokers who end up unstable?

[SMOKEU]

There is a reason why Cannabis is illegal and if anyone were to examine the readily available evidence from several sources independently and open-mindedly it is not solely because it is politically expedient to have it on the list along with so-called harder drugs.



See my reply to Mashman. If you were honest with yourself you would admit that you are hardly unbiased and open-minded. As I pointed out, it is the heavy addicted user who is most vocal in defense and does so in a way that definitely makes them sound paranoid.

I don't know where your brain is right now, but your reply to my previous post was all over the place and didn't get the point or answer the question I posed.

You said you do take it via a ventilator with your Drs. approval. Why do you take it?

I said very simply that smoking is a health hazard, something no-one can deny, and you go off on some wierd and strange verbal journey.

There is a good reason why pot is illegal. It's because people such as yourself are so biased that they are unwilling to listen to scientific reasoning. It's like trying to explain evolution to a Catholic priest, or trying to tell a Muslim that Allah and the Koran are fictitious. There is no doubt that alcohol is significantly more harmful than smoking weed. Any normal healthy person who drinks alcohol but refuses to smoke pot on the grounds of health related reasons is nothing but a hypocrite of the highest level. It's like a morbidly obese person who eats KFC every day preaching healthy eating to everyone.

And no, I'm not stoned at all right now. I'm not addicted to weeds, and I don't smoke the stuff on most days. Yes I know that smoking is a health hazard. So is riding a motorcycle. So is listening to loud music. So is driving a car. So is being a passenger in an aircraft. So is eating high fat food. Breathing is a health hazard as well, plenty of people die from air pollution.

Different people have different ways of relieving stress and having fun. Some people choose to play a piano, others choose to ride dirt bikes. Some people choose to ride a Harley, while others go jogging. It's a matter of personal choice, and there is no reason why the government should make criminals out of those who choose to smoke pot.

[mashman]

There is a reason why Cannabis is illegal and if anyone were to examine the readily available evidence from several sources independently and open-mindedly it is not solely because it is politically expedient to have it on the list along with so-called harder drugs.

Would you post a link or 2 to the evidence you speak of please. That way we're singing from the same hymn sheet

[Usarka]

You much prefer to argue from prejudice and ignorance, that way you can justify your opinions.

Fuck you're a hypocrite


There are just as many bits of reasearch that say the opposite to the ones that you're talking about but not linking to.

[SMOKEU]

Your tax paying me to work with people who have been marijuana users and now are, to be succinct, fucked? My own mother and my best mate have gone down this road.

Do you enjoy paying someone like me to work with the ignored by-product? The small percentage of marijuana smokers who end up unstable?

So what makes you think that weed fucked them up? It's merely a suspicion you have with no evidence to prove your theory beyond a reasonable doubt.

[ducatilover]

So what makes you think that weed fucked them up? It's merely a suspicion you have with no evidence to prove your theory beyond a reasonable doubt.

I counter that with how do you know tobacco is bad for people? There's a correlation between smokers and cancer, but because there is no way to ethically test the theory, it cannot be proven, people who are likely to get cancer might just be people who enjoy smoking... (Pretty stupid argument, just like pot is harmless)

I have watched people go through the marijuana phase and end up fucked, I have not stated that it happens to all, just a few.
I have several articles in one of my drawers here you're more than welcome to read if you're up this way before or after I thrash your bike and drink copious amounts of beer.


But, then again, I am a motorcycle rider, drinker and smoker, all of which are meant to kill me or fuck me.

[Edbear]

Would you post a link or 2 to the evidence you speak of please. That way we're singing from the same hymn sheet

Just Google it mate, I will only draw vindictiveness from the others who have no interest in being anything like reasonable or the slightest bit interested in finding anything out for themselves.

They much prefer to use personal attack as it makes their fragile ego's feel better and them feel superior. They like to think they have the exclusive on fact even when they are in the tiny minority.

Anyone who genuinely wants to know anything will do their own research. These types couldn't care less, that's why they challenge me to post reference so they can get personal and decry it simply on the grounds that I was the one posting it. They dare not do their own study, that would defeat them. All very childish but whatever strokes their fragile ego's I guess...

[scumdog]

And no, I'm not stoned at all right now. I'm not addicted to weeds, and I don't smoke the stuff on most days. Yes I know that smoking is a health hazard. So is riding a motorcycle. So is listening to loud music. So is driving a car. So is being a passenger in an aircraft. So is eating high fat food. Breathing is a health hazard as well, plenty of people die from air pollution.

Different people have different ways of relieving stress and having fun. Some people choose to play a piano, others choose to ride dirt bikes. Some people choose to ride a Harley, while others go jogging. It's a matter of personal choice, and there is no reason why the government should make criminals out of those who choose to smoke pot.

Know-all little cunt, ain't ya???

[ducatilover]

So what makes you think that weed fucked them up? It's merely a suspicion you have with no evidence to prove your theory beyond a reasonable doubt.

Seeing as I'm the non-believer, present me an argument that'll change my mind, I'm always willing to listen to a feasible argument, especially one without bias.

[mashman]

Just Google it mate, I will only draw vindictiveness from the others who have no interest in being anything like reasonable or the slightest bit interested in finding anything out for themselves.

They much prefer to use personal attack as it makes their fragile ego's feel better and them feel superior. They like to think they have the exclusive on fact even when they are in the tiny minority.

Anyone who genuinely wants to know anything will do their own research. These types couldn't care less, that's why they challenge me to post reference so they can get personal and decry it simply on the grounds that I was the one posting it. They dare not do their own study, that would defeat them. All very childish but whatever strokes their fragile ego's I guess...

Man you're brutal ... The problem with the internet searching is that there is evidence that supports both sides and unless both sides see the "evidence" that each other is referencing then they will end up discussing something from their own stand point. The names of researchers or Dr's would probably suffice... don't be shy

[ducatilover]

Man you're brutal ... The problem with the internet searching is that there is evidence that supports both sides and unless both sides see the "evidence" that each other is referencing then they will end up discussing something from their own stand point. The names of researchers or Dr's would probably suffice... don't be shy

You've nailed the problem there.
There are people coming from both angles, pro/anti and not many from a nice boring neutral standing.

[SMOKEU]

Know-all little cunt, ain't ya???

In your job I'm sure you'd rather deal with a car load of stoners who will probably be chilled out than a car load of angry drunk people who are looking for a fight. Now tell me how many 1D incidents do you come across when people smoke too much bud and then start beating others up?

Seeing as I'm the non-believer, present me an argument that'll change my mind, I'm always willing to listen to a feasible argument, especially one without bias.

Weed vs alcohol:

Is likely to cause users to become violent after consuming moderate to large quantities? Weed no, alcohol yes

Possible to overdose? Weed no, alcohol yes

Is likely to cause organ failure among heavy users? Weed no, alcohol yes

Is likely to cause users to make poor decisions, such as having unprotected secks with unfamiliar people or get into a car with a stranger? Weed no, alcohol yes

Is likely to cause drivers to drive faster and more dangerously? Weed no, alcohol yes

Is likely to cause users to injure themselves while under the influence? Weed no, alcohol yes

Is physically addictive? Weed no, alcohol yes

Is likely to cause significant, permanent health damage in heavy users? Weed no, alcohol yes

[mashman]

Is likely to cause users to make poor decisions, such as having unprotected secks with unfamiliar people or get into a car with a stranger? Weed no, alcohol yes

Nahhhhh, definitely got the above wrong