Is it too much to move from a 250 to 1000 right after getting fulls?

[darkone]

I guess I can throw my experience in here ..... I started riding in Jan 2010. 1st bike was a suzuki gladius lams (I'm in nsw). Personally the weight wasn't an issue compared to the vtr 250 I test rode but the v-twin engine was much friendlier.
I got my full license mid April last year (over 30 so only 3 mths on L's and 12mth on P's). Over the next week I test rode (in order) a cbr600rr (a few times, it was my flatmates), street triple, cbr100rr, bmw s1000rr, ducati diavel, 2011 zx-10r.
I bought the zx-10r the next day. After watching my mate highside his cbr600rr by spinning up the rear and chopping the throttle, to my mind the electronic rider aids on the new thous made them a safer option than a 600 sport.

The only problem I've had so far was not spotting the popo on the overpass when I decided to use an empty freeway to see what she'd do in 2nd ....... 6 weeks riding, 6 mths walking (not to mention the $2k fine and 6 points).

For me it's the perfect bike although I'd put a diavel in the garage in a heartbeat if I had the money ;p

[davereid]

I think the 650 twins are restricted in order to meet the power/weight also. None of the LAMS bikes are "fast" or unsuitable for a learner, unless you get a ZZR400 and plop a ZZR600 motor in it, like I did last year.

Popular opinion on KB is that we will be getting the Victorian list from Australia.

It lists bikes like the Ninja 650 as LAMs approved, so they will get a big tick here.

Except most of the kiwi ones came ex factory with 2 bros or Leo vince zorsts, so weigh less and make more power than the Oz ones.

And as the NZTA are going to write LAMS on the rego label, once you get that LAMs tag you are free to go, even with your power commander, yoshi pipes and K&N high flow kit.

God bless the NZTA.

[ducatilover]

Popular opinion on KB is that we will be getting the Victorian list from Australia.

It lists bikes like the Ninja 650 as LAMs approved, so they will get a big tick here.

Except most of the kiwi ones came ex factory with 2 bros or Leo vince zorsts, so weigh less and make more power than the Oz ones.

And as the NZTA are going to write LAMS on the rego label, once you get that LAMs tag you are free to go, even with your power commander, yoshi pipes and K&N high flow kit.

God bless the NZTA.

I was fairly sure all carbed bikes had the same set up as U.K ones with the restrictor in the intakes? A Hyo 650 is a lot faster than a 4cyl 250, think about it, are you letting the learners on a sub 200kg, 70 plus hp machine?
If they're not restricted, then it's stupid.

[davereid]

I was fairly sure all carbed bikes had the same set up as U.K ones with the restrictor in the intakes?

The Ninja 650 has two fuel injected throttle bodies, and a catalystic converter as standard.

Removing the Catalystic converter allows you to retune the bike properly, as catalystic converters require an excessivly rich mixture to work properly. So they respond nicely to a new few simple tuning rules. Mine came new with the Leo Vince pipe.

I also see that Suzuki NZ are putting free 2 Bros exhausts on bikes during the summer fest, so I imagine our 650 fleet will be more powerful from new than the oz one.

Oz restricts parallel importing, so most of their bikes are exactly as the manufacturer said they would be for the Oz market. NZ does not restrict parallel imports so your new bike could have been officially, or unofficially imported from anywhere on the globe, and could have significantly better (or worse lol) specs than the Oz model.

[darkone]

I believe the ninja 650 uses the same engine as the er6n ... if so the method of restricting it will probably be the same.
The er6n lams I test rode over here had a stop in the twist grip so you could only open the throttle part way.
The gladius was restricted through the ecu, so much more expensive to de-restrict.

[Bassmatt]

I believe the ninja 650 uses the same engine as the er6n ... if so the method of restricting it will probably be the same.
The er6n lams I test rode over here had a stop in the twist grip so you could only open the throttle part way.
The gladius was restricted through the ecu, so much more expensive to de-restrict.

Yep same in the UK (er6). There is also some plug thing under the seat to be sorted but apparently thats a 2 second job

[quickbuck]

I do hope that the old 2T 350/400's etc are not part of LAM's.... I know there are many of us 'fucking old bastards who don't know shit'!!! who rode 500 H1's, RD400/350's, NS400, RG4/500's etc and know they are in no way learner friendly.

Rest assured, any 2t 250 or bigger will not be on the LAMS list as far as I know...
You are right.... They go much better once you have a bit of time up, and haven't scared yourself whitless.

[ducatilover]

The Ninja 650 has two fuel injected throttle bodies, and a catalystic converter as standard.

Removing the Catalystic converter allows you to retune the bike properly, as catalystic converters require an excessivly rich mixture to work properly. So they respond nicely to a new few simple tuning rules. Mine came new with the Leo Vince pipe.

I also see that Suzuki NZ are putting free 2 Bros exhausts on bikes during the summer fest, so I imagine our 650 fleet will be more powerful from new than the oz one.

Oz restricts parallel importing, so most of their bikes are exactly as the manufacturer said they would be for the Oz market. NZ does not restrict parallel imports so your new bike could have been officially, or unofficially imported from anywhere on the globe, and could have significantly better (or worse lol) specs than the Oz model.

I would have expected the injected models to be retuned with the use of an EPROM chip in the ECU for a re-writeable fuel map? Or a piggy back system over the ECU.
Having unrestricted 650 twins on a learner list makes no sense.

I believe the ninja 650 uses the same engine as the er6n ... if so the method of restricting it will probably be the same.
The er6n lams I test rode over here had a stop in the twist grip so you could only open the throttle part way.
The gladius was restricted through the ecu, so much more expensive to de-restrict.

The throttle stop idea is brilliant, easy to test for LAMS compliance and cheap.
If you get pulled, on your restricted/learners and your throttle stop is missing, then you'll get bum raped.

A very good idea

[Nastrond]

I wonder how long the owner of this bike had been riding before deciding it was a good idea to buy a brand new 200hp litre bike?

Probably not as long as these guys http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...=cruiser+crash

[ducatilover]

Probably not as long as these guys http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...=cruiser+crash

They had fuck all HP (after you add all the bikes up too)

[dangerous]

Ya know, all these pages refering to power being the issue... Yet no ones mentioned power control is only one thing to worry about a thour, but what about suspension set up, that alone can put you on ya arse... does a learner going from a 250 to a 6 or thour relise this? the wrong set up for the indervidual can make the difference to survival.

[ducatilover]

Ya know, all these pages refering to power being the issue... Yet no ones mentioned power control is only one thing to worry about a thour, but what about suspension set up, that alone can put you on ya arse... does a learner going from a 250 to a 6 or thour relise this? the wrong set up for the indervidual can make the difference to survival.

Or a nOOb going from carbied 250 to a fuel injected big bike, crack the throttle a wee bit too much...

Fuck it, get a thousand, do it ya pussy.

[p.dath]

Ya know, all these pages refering to power being the issue... Yet no ones mentioned power control is only one thing to worry about a thour, but what about suspension set up, that alone can put you on ya arse... does a learner going from a 250 to a 6 or thour relise this? the wrong set up for the indervidual can make the difference to survival.

Referring only to road bikes; someone asked me about tyres a while ago, and I said there are no bad tyres any more, just tyres designed for different applications. You just need to choose the tyres suited to the application you want to use them for.

Referring only to road bikes; I don't know much about suspension. Are there any new 1000cc bikes that come out with "bad" suspension?

[bluebird]

If your on a Hyosung GT250 the obvious step up would be a GT650, same ergos, similar feel, but way more horses, why a 1000? you'll kill yourself in no time, it only takes one wrong moment of giving in to temptation on one of those beasts when you are a noob.

[gatch]

Fuck it, get a thousand, do it ya pussy.

After reviewing the information at hand, I concur. Wholeheartedly.

And turbo it, you girl.