Has MAG-NZ gone into hibernation?

[kevie]

Wasnt pointed at our post ... was a generalization of all the posts being made (havent worked out how to multi quote on one reply) LOL ***also has old farts disease *** hahhahahah

[Mom]

Mag jumped onto the band wagon and found that the task was going be a lot more difficult and long term than they thought, so after diluting the BRONZ message fucked off and joined up with the other occupy protesters.

Nice, where were you when we needed help?

but as mentioned, unfortunately a couple of the key people they needed on the National level weren't in for the long haul.

Or simply ran out of steam to keep driving things by themselves.

Its very easy to blame others ..... but while you point the finger ...... what did YOU do to assist MAG and the other action groups from being a success????
I think the blame (if you really have to blame someone) shouldnt just be pointed at the supposed "management that you might have considered to have failed" but also the individuals that could have, and maybe should have been supporting them!!!

Thank you, some of us really tried.

Anyway .... my original purpose of this thread was re the forum being hijacked by dumbass spammers ...... im soooooooooooo tempted to get their email and register it with every porn site on the net I can find LMAO

I still support the MAG concept, Mag the organization, and think while its suffered a minor setback ...... it could ....and should ..... grab its shoelaces and pull itself back up again

Don't give up on MAG ........ sit down with the key positive and the constructive people and re-look at where things went wrong, what can be done to rekindle the vision and go for it again.

Cant comment on that, I could never gain good, consistent access to the forum, makes keeping in touch and on top of things really hard. Main thing, one person can not keep things giong without physical support. All well and good saying yeah, yeah, yeah, actually getting your hands dirty is a completely different thing. Look about the place at who was involved with MAG-NZ and who are still actively involved in DOING stuff.

First time I have commented.

[bogan]

I see a mention that in the early stages the UK counterpart also had its share of 'failures' .... maybe if the management of MAG keep the communication channels open, let the members know what support they need and talents are required then it may be able to be the force that was originally envisioned.

Not a bad plan, I was doing this to start off with, but after a few weeks of deleting spammers, and numerous other projects on the go, I gave up. I'm not that web admin savvy, and tbh, I'm much happier helping people out with spannering or safe riding tips. Don't get me wrong, MAG is the sort of place to organise those things as well, but if nobody is watching or participating...

Might re-look at things in a few months after I've finished my thesis, but I just don't have time these days. Think I can hand off moderator/de-spammer privileges if you want to keep it tidy though?

[Flip]

Nice, where were you when we needed help?

Apart from my membership in Ulysses, Bronz and Hog, I helped to organise the COM protest back in the mid 90's, then when the ACC Bikoi movement started I put my hand up and traveled from Christchurch to Wellington early to helpout. On the day of the protest I helped out with the organising and spent the day directing traffic and being security. (Stoney help out here?) I attended both protests in Canterbury, I have written letters, put up posters, made submissions and talked to my local politicans about my objection to the ACC leveys. I can honestly say I have and will continue to do my bit for queen and country.

My issue with MAG was they were a one agends movement, however I would have supported them if they had taken a more beligerant stance. As they never had a strategic plan or as it seemed a clue they were doomed to failure. They were probably more attractive to the younger riders than Ulysses or Bronz and seemed to take the attention of these younger and dear I say more beligerant riders but did nothing with the energies they had. The protest didn't need another Bronz it needed some antisocial protesting to counter point what Bronz and Ulysses were doing.

[Mom]

The protest didn't need another Bronz it needed some antisocial protesting to counter point what Bronz and Ulysses were doing.

And there in a nut shell was what ultimately happened. Please dont paint all MAG people as being gutless wonders, it just takes more than a few to make things happen.

[Flip]

I didn't say they were gutless. I said they were ineffectual.

[MSTRS:Me]

If you want to use that term, bikers, fullstop, are ineffectual in this country. If they weren't, we wouldn't be where we are today...

[Drew]

The government have time on their side. Most groups fizzle out. The powers that be just need to wait, the public have very short memories after all, and it'll all blow over before next election.

How about, one of the groups who think they have our best interest at heart, (intentions aside, power corrupts), align with a political party? Get in there waving 10,000 votes under their nose and see if ya can't get something realistic happening.

I dunno why you'd want to though, you will get lumped in a room with the same fuckin morons who are meant to be trying to make us safer now, and be brain dead like them in a week.

[avgas]

I still sit back and laugh.
If you want to change something, forming a committee to sip on tea rarely will change it for you.
While credit where credit is due, I do think MAG did a good job in getting facts and figures out in the open for bikers to see.

But its as individuals, collectively doing the similar things that got us into this mess. And the same is what would get us out. The Bikeoi showed a few people that such things were possible, but we should have turned up and kept out mouths shut - because many things that were said that day fucked us even more.
Cups of tea, bitch sessions, and group rides will never stop us paying ACC levies - only we on a personal level can make that decision.

[NONONO]

I didn't say they were gutless. I said they were ineffectual.

Whereas, you, are effectual eh?
Pffft!, nuther armchair cowboy.

[Berries]

If you want to use that term, bikers, fullstop, are ineffectual in this country. If they weren't, we wouldn't be where we are today...

Which is where though? I can ride when I want where I want with no restriction on the type of bike I own. I pay more ACC than car drivers but I know that if I fall off I am likely to be more seriously injured so it doesn't really bother me. There is sod all legislation that bothers me at the moment. I'd be pissed if I owned more than one bike, but I don't.

[Flip]

Whereas, you, are effectual eh?
Pffft!, nuther armchair cowboy.

And your comments illustrate why the folks who were organising protests and runs gave up.

[The Lone Rider]

The demeanor of someone I believed to have been taking part in running a division of MAG put me off.

That sealed my disinterest in MAG.



I quite often hear from BRONZ people though.

[NONONO]

And your comments illustrate why the folks who were organising protests and runs gave up.

I know I shouldn't but...
Who where these folk organizing protests and runs who gave up due to my comments?
In fact who where these people organizing runs and protests?

[Mom]

And your comments illustrate why the folks who were organising protests and runs gave up.

You could not be more WRONG.

I know I shouldn't but...
Who where these folk organizing protests and runs who gave up due to my comments?
In fact who where these people organizing runs and protests?

I promised myself I would say no more...