Some days I hate programming

[mashman]

with MVC & EF I'm less a software engineer and a more a jigsaw puzzle solver with a magic right click button....

Aye same here. Find the useful bits, cut, paste, tinker job done. Yup, I use the EF with my code generator, can't be arsed with code first or dickin around with the T4 etc... just read the database properties and CodeDom classes and pages to piece together as and when I need them. I like designing (when given the time, which is pretty much never) and prototyping... I can't stand UI . Would love to do more analysis and requirements gathering, but nigh on impossible without the quals.

[thecharmed01]

Dreamweaver

*vomits in her mouth a little*

ew ew ew ew EW.

My current bitch is retarded website clients, who ignore your recommendations and use nasty hosting that screws their site..... but then they don't want to pay the bill for getting the site back up and running.
I have decided never EVER to work for anyone who isn't net savvy EVER again GRRRRRR.

[pzkpfw]

Many pages of goodness: http://clientsfromhell.net/

[mashman]

Many pages of goodness: http://clientsfromhell.net/

ACM's (as one boss put it, Arse Covering Memo) and an email trail... amazing the shit some people try to pull.

[thecharmed01]

ACM's (as one boss put it, Arse Covering Memo) and an email trail... amazing the shit some people try to pull.

Yeah I have all that, even have (surprising seeing as I had some rather major arguments with them) copies of emails from the hosting company saying that my bill was reasonable and the work I said I did was logical for the issue at hand.

Doesn't make the bastards pay though.

[durp]

Ya know its shit like that that made me get away from it. Got sick of doin that crap for 10 years, just got into video development. So much more enjoyable. I can be technical, but in a linear process where its just moving forward. No more bs trouble shooting things that are SUPPOSED to be working.

[bogan]

Might I recommend looking for a job as an embedded software engineer? Coding directly on the metal is much more fun.

Coding is always better when you don't have to use some numptie's inefficient, unannoted steaming pile of crap. Embedded is pretty good, you get a lot more feel of progression for time spent.

[wharekura]

... use some numptie's inefficient, unannoted steaming pile of crap...

like a bar fight when i was in my dumber teens, there is always someone bigger (in my case a rock solid Samoan...respect) Code, I try and understand the person behind the code before I start despising the person, maybe it was rushed due to budgets, for example. My stuff will never be the most orsumnist as there will always be someone to shove it up my MS Access 2000 Database using VB4.

[bogan]

like a bar fight when i was in my dumber teens, there is always someone bigger (in my case a rock solid Samoan...respect) Code, I try and understand the person behind the code before I start despising the person, maybe it was rushed due to budgets, for example. My stuff will never be the most orsumnist as there will always be someone to shove it up my MS Access 2000 Database using VB4.

A noble way of looking at things. However, dealing with unannotated VB6 code where the variables are just single letters, and the option explicit (iirc) has been added so they are not defined or initialised properly, many, many nested if-then-else statements (without {} to mark them), the longer variable names are almost all globals and seem to have been about as well thought out as a monkey flinging poop at a dictionary, this kind of code may change your outlook, and will to live

[wharekura]

On the following charges Mr Wharekura, how do you plea?

... VB6 code where the variables are just single letters...

Guilty Your Honor (and still am with c# using Catch (Exception Ex) for example)

...and the option explicit...

Not Guilty. (not with visual studio anyway)

...not defined or initialised properly...

No plea. (c# allows declarations of variants - which is a defined non-definable!?)

...many nested if-then-else statements...

Not Guilty. (VB4 was not classed from what I recall to avoid the many nested ifs)

...without {} to mark them...

Not Guilty. (Im not 100% sure but even VB.Net doesnt have statement wrappers)

...longer variable names are almost all globals...

No plea. (possibly guilty but need to consult my solicitor)

...this kind of code may change your outlook, and will to live ...

Hell, if you cant bet 'em, join 'em. Im tempted to show u one of my recent works on a TSQL stored proc doing ad-hoc xtabbing without the crappy pivot - you wont be weeping, you'll most probably go find that Samoan that I encountered many moons ago to repay me a reminder visit.

[mashman]

Yeah I have all that, even have (surprising seeing as I had some rather major arguments with them) copies of emails from the hosting company saying that my bill was reasonable and the work I said I did was logical for the issue at hand.

Doesn't make the bastards pay though.

That suckin fucks... sorry to hear that, but I guess it's just the way some people do business.

[thecharmed01]

That suckin fucks... sorry to hear that, but I guess it's just the way some people do business.

I know, it's funny too. The big companies pay up when the invoice is sent.
Seems to me that the smaller the outfit, the crappier they are at paying their bills.
I'm probably gonna end up at DT over this one though as their whole attitude SUCKS. I'm irritated as hell. I've not had a single client in 15 years that's been as frustrating as these guys.

One thing I am giggling about though, is that I never gave them full admin access. I only gave them a limited access account and they have no way to gain a password for the key admin account - it's under my email address.
They haven't the know-how to crack the db and it's all encrypted and I have the key.
They can't update the system ever. They also can't remove all the security messages and popups.
Nor can they change any preferences..... or access 3/4 of the backend capabilities as I was slowly giving them more access, as I'd trained them on the functions and they emailed me that they didn't require any further training *facepalm*
All they can do is load products and do the basic sales stuff. When they realise what they cannot do and access they will be pissy I'm guessing LOL

They've spent months inputting products, so I'm going to be the one giggling when they realize they are pretty much stuck and that I won't release the info they need till their account situation is rectified. As long as they are in the red, they get nothing.

[mashman]

I know, it's funny too. The big companies pay up when the invoice is sent.
Seems to me that the smaller the outfit, the crappier they are at paying their bills.
I'm probably gonna end up at DT over this one though as their whole attitude SUCKS. I'm irritated as hell. I've not had a single client in 15 years that's been as frustrating as these guys.

One thing I am giggling about though, is that I never gave them full admin access. I only gave them a limited access account and they have no way to gain a password for the key admin account - it's under my email address.
They haven't the know-how to crack the db and it's all encrypted and I have the key.
They can't update the system ever. They also can't remove all the security messages and popups.
Nor can they change any preferences..... or access 3/4 of the backend capabilities as I was slowly giving them more access, as I'd trained them on the functions and they emailed me that they didn't require any further training *facepalm*
All they can do is load products and do the basic sales stuff. When they realise what they cannot do and access they will be pissy I'm guessing LOL

They've spent months inputting products, so I'm going to be the one giggling when they realize they are pretty much stuck and that I won't release the info they need till their account situation is rectified. As long as they are in the red, they get nothing.

Gloating is so unbecoming ... if they haven't paid why haven't you pulled the site? or did you just build add-ons that you protected oh so wisely

[thecharmed01]

Gloating is so unbecoming ... if they haven't paid why haven't you pulled the site? or did you just build add-ons that you protected oh so wisely

I can't pull the site, as they are hosting it with a host they chose, it's out of my control.
I'd love to pull it but I'd have to hack a server hahaha

[jrandom]

What a squalid little industry it is.