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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
    No I dont think I'm biased. Its worked out really good for me personally but its made it hard for young people born here to get jobs.
    You were lucky. The reality is that hard as it is for the young job seeker, it only gets harder to get a job as one ages.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston001 View Post
    Seriously, why haven't we seen a barrage of pro-union advertisements and interviews putting their point of view.
    Whether or not the national radio stations are broadcasting this advert through the country, but each morning I have woken up and heard advertising for the POA wanting workers. They even ask strikers to "talk with their families about what's best".
    Rather in-your-face approach, but interesting that there is no rebuttal from the union.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    You were lucky. The reality is that hard as it is for the young job seeker, it only gets harder to get a job as one ages.
    I wonder if that has more to do with the caliber of the young job seeker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoristheBiter View Post
    I wonder if that has more to do with the caliber of the young job seeker?
    Are you saying that the young that take the jobs are 'better' than the old(er)? Or that, in order to compete, the old(er) should become more self-centred, unreliable and prone to zits?
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    Very much so. The laws and regulations around all this are rather convoluted and not what the average joe would think....
    the definition of "Council-Controlled Organisation" in the Local Government Act specifically excludes port companies:
    (4) The following entities are not council-controlled organisations: ...
    (c) a port company or subsidiary of a port company within the meaning of the Port Companies Act 1988
    Why is this the case?
    The provision seems to have originally been introduced into the Local Government Act 1974 by the Local Government Amendment Act (No 2) 1989, which introduced new provisions about "Local Authority Trading Enterprises (LATES)", which specifically excluded port companies. The reason for that? Because the then-Labour government of Roger Douglas David Lange wanted local bodies to sell their ports.

    That's not the latest info Spman, laws change. Ports of Auckland is a CCO and is 100% owned by Auckland Council after being successfully bought by Auckland Regional Holdings in 2005. It is however an "arms length" control by the Council and is actually operated, like other council companies, by Auckland Council Investments Ltd for the ratepayers of Auckland.

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    I had the misfortune to clear a bike I brought back from OZ in the late 80's, after 2 years there I was well used to dealing with unhelpful union people. POA gave me the run around as I was joe public. Took about 2 hours of being pissed about.
    A year later in London...same scenario ..... but I had learned how to deal with unions....went up to a bloke " mate, here to collect a bike, do you have a beer fund here I could contribute 20 quid to...."
    paperwork done, bike fetched and unpacked in no time.

    Never really come across it anywhere else other than Ports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Whether or not the national radio stations are broadcasting this advert through the country, but each morning I have woken up and heard advertising for the POA wanting workers. They even ask strikers to "talk with their families about what's best".
    Rather in-your-face approach, but interesting that there is no rebuttal from the union.
    I don't know which news or social media you and Winston 001 tune into Swoop, but here's an article by the NZ Herald summarising both parties efforts at putting their message across: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/connect/ne...ectid=10791865

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    There has been talk here of where is the unions major campaign to say what is going on, I got sent this so if you have not seen the unions answer to the POAL advertising here it is.

    O and POAL place full pace adverts in the Christchurch press how the hell does that no scream that they are using huge money in there side with us advertising, what worse so many are falling for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMemonic View Post
    There has been talk here of where is the unions major campaign to say what is going on, I got sent this so if you have not seen the unions answer to the POAL advertising here it is.

    O and POAL place full pace adverts in the Christchurch press how the hell does that no scream that they are using huge money in there side with us advertising, what worse so many are falling for it.
    Welcome to the real world.

    I find it hard to believe that POA does not know when ships are due in as it is being portrayed in the above press release.

    Maybe a sign of the times that on one is in real support of the unions.

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    If they are "marketing" to the public, they are doing a poor job so far.
    Obviously quite difficult for any union to put a balanced reply when the harold or tvnz/3 are there.

    JMemonic's post is informative, with a sensible breakdown of some of the issues involved. Wage rates are quite interesting. A person would have to work a lot of hours to get up in the $90k bracket...
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    $27+ an hour is still a damn good rate!
    In the industry I work in (engineering) thats Foreman rates for a very skilled guy!
    These guys are nowhere near as skilled!!! Fact!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimJen View Post
    $27+ an hour is still a damn good rate!
    In the industry I work in (engineering) thats Foreman rates for a very skilled guy!
    These guys are nowhere near as skilled!!! Fact!
    That's better money than I make after 12 yerars in I/T - I might go north and start driving a crane

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Eagle View Post
    That's better money than I make after 12 yerars in I/T - I might go north and start driving a crane
    Exactly!
    If we pay a foreman that much he's expected to be able to fabricate both light and heavy structural steel, weld (all disciplines), machine, organise, price, deal with customers, site measure, upskill when required etc etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
    No I dont think I'm biased. Its worked out really good for me personally but its made it hard for young people born here to get jobs. While its easy to say someone is set in their ways its a lot harder to explain to a bank manager about your casual employment situation when you want a mortgage.
    You may be pleasantly supprised to find out what actually happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    If they are "marketing" to the public, they are doing a poor job so far.
    Obviously quite difficult for any union to put a balanced reply when the harold or tvnz/3 are there.

    JMemonic's post is informative, with a sensible breakdown of some of the issues involved. Wage rates are quite interesting. A person would have to work a lot of hours to get up in the $90k bracket...
    The Maritime Union is using a different promotional mix that's all.

    It seems it's quite difficult for the radio station you mentioned to put a balanced reply across as well, by the sound of it they're pro Ports of Auckland.

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