Search and Surveillance Bill

[Zedder]

And just to add to the mess....



Now the agenda is clear - NZ wants to outdo the USA in imprisonment rates.........

There's probably a race on between the US and NZ to see how many feckin' stupid laws they can pass then.

[Scuba_Steve]

Does anyone else find it odd how it wasn't mentioned in mainstream media barely at all? I was at quite a few protests for this and frankly find it fucking disturbing. Goodbye democracy and 'freedom'.

you thought we had democracy & freedom

There's probably a race on between the US and NZ to see how many feckin' stupid laws they can pass then.

Na this along with the food bill & skynet etc are just the initiation tests to become "New Zealand the 51st state of America"

[Zedder]

you thought we had democracy & freedom



Na this along with the food bill & skynet etc are just the initiation tests to become "New Zealand the 51st state of America"

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was true.

[mossy1200]

Im thinking they would only record soft porn at my place.

[mashman]

And just to add to the mess...

Now the agenda is clear - NZ wants to outdo the USA in imprisonment rates.........

They've got to justify them thar new prisons ya know... it's important that they are top quality facilities!

[Usarka]

They've got to justify them thar new prisons ya know... it's important that they are top quality facilities!

They are outsourcing the prisons to international companies. Maybe higher prisoner numbers is part of the deal.....

[mashman]

They are outsourcing the prisons to international companies. Maybe higher prisoner numbers is part of the deal.....

I dread to think of the deal. I seem to remember some rather nasty goings on in the US in regards to prisons extending sentences for no particular reason, think it was one of them thar Michael Moore doco's. As mentioned by someone else elsewhere in the elsesphere, the penalties will not outweigh the revenue.

[blue rider]

They are outsourcing the prisons to international companies. Maybe higher prisoner numbers is part of the deal.....

if you run prisons for profit you need inmates to keep them full and profitable

money for nothing

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ildren-up.html

[blue rider]

and

http://www.alec.org/

very interesting organization

[blue rider]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=29109


http://mediafilter.org/mff/prison.html


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1272143.html


as the saying goes, someone got to do it

[davereid]

Yes. If you consider everything in context....

The Search and Surveillance Bill
The Food Bill - no selling food or seeds without a licence
NAIT - all livestock and their owners tracked from birth to slaughter
The proposals to end jury trials
The loss of the presumption of innocence
The loss of the right to remain sillent
The ability of the police to write search warrants themselves
The end of the requirement for a search warrant for most common searches
The end of financial privacy - all your transactions are now sent to baycorp, veda etc for evaluation and sale
If you are behind on fines you can't leave the country, and you will soon have your drivers licence canceled.

and you add in our new biometric ID card system with facial recognition built in right from the start...

Its all looking a bit grim.

I have attended select committee and made hundreds of submissions on these things, but I am often a lone voice. Only 3 people for example showed up to oppose the amendments to privacy laws that enable your bank, electricity company, etc etc to sell your personal expenditure details to baycorp and veda.

The NZTA opt out has been lost - NZTA never implemented it, and still sell your details (and your driver licence details as well) as no one bother opposing it.

NZers are sheep, and never complain. We just stand in the slaughterhouse queue bleating on KB about it.

[mashman]

money money money

NZers are sheep, and never complain. We just stand in the slaughterhouse queue bleating on KB about it.

but there's a really really good reason not to protest, or write submissions, or go to committee meetings, or raise your voice...

but I am often a lone voice. Only 3 people for example showed up to oppose the amendments to privacy laws

Unfortunately we don't spend our tax $$$ on organisations that have legal and "activist" departments with the sole purpose of protecting our freedoms etc... 24/7 from those who can profit from our existence... we have to rely on anyone that can be arsed turning up.

Thanks for turning up Dave ...

[SPman]

NAIT - all livestock and their owners tracked from birth to slaughter

Do the owners know about this.........

[davereid]

Do the owners know about this.........

Yes. They have to register themselves with NAIT, and then pay for the RF ID tags that they have to place on the animals. They also have to pay to update the NAIT records.

The NAIT man has powers that would make the Gestapo happy. He can force you to disclose passwords, provide answers to questions and produce information and documents. He may stop and search vehicles and people without warrant, search buildings without warrant, and for the few things he has to have a warrant for, (like searching maraes and private homes) he can do the search then apply for a warrant in arrears.

He not a policeman by the way, NAIT is a company set up by the government, and NAIT officers are employees of the company.

[SMOKEU]

This isn't a left wing or right wing issue, this is about freedom from an all pervasive state.
Well done chaps....carry on...

It's about the jews trying to take over the world.