Michael Laws and White Ribbon

**ratusratus** · 29th March 2012, 09:47

Right or wrong
Should White Ribbon be just about violence against woman or the whole FAMILY
Women hit men and kids as well hes saying

**oneofsix** · 29th March 2012, 09:53

Originally Posted by ratusratus

Right or wrong
Should White Ribbon be just about violence against woman or the whole FAMILY
Women hit men and kids as well hes saying

My problem with White Ribbon is its gender basis. It should just be anti family violence.

**James Deuce** · 29th March 2012, 09:54

He's quite right. Anecdotally, women do far more physical damage to children than men do. I've spent a lot of time sitting in various children's wards and it often transpires the majority of the hospitalised domestic violence victims in the kid's ward have been put there by Mum. It's amazing what people tell you when you're stuck in a hospital cubicle with them. Chilling too.

**Usarka** · 29th March 2012, 09:59

Willie Jackson said yesterday that men who get hit by their wives are wussies (or similar). What a complete wanker.

**The Singing Chef** · 29th March 2012, 10:20

Women hitting men and children has been going on for ages, and I would say is just as prevalent as men hitting women. Thing is though, men are much less likely to seek help or tell somebody about it, as they believe they will lose face, and the children are to scared to do much about it in fear of another beating.

Women have been starting to speak about shit since kitchens, and unfortunately the government will more often than not, side with the women because they "do no wrong."

Speaking from experience as well, I definitely agree that it should be focussed on the family instead of just the women.

**nodrog:Me** · 29th March 2012, 10:30

That will learn you for marrying an angry fat bitch.

**Paul in NZ** · 29th March 2012, 10:39

I'd just make it anti violence period.

You can't tell me that the first time one of these men/women ever hit anyone is when they have kids???

**The Singing Chef** · 29th March 2012, 10:53

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

I'd just make it anti violence period.

You can't tell me that the first time one of these men/women ever hit anyone is when they have kids???

Nah it's not, generally starts from early on, often from childhood or their teenage years.

**Virago** · 29th March 2012, 11:08

The gender bias against males is fully institutionalised, and is all but impossible to eliminate - any attempt to do so is deemed to be sexist.

Back in the 90s I did my time on the local school Board of Trustees. As part of the Ministry of Education legislation, student performance figures had to be recorded as follows - student (mean) average, girl average, Maori average. If the last two figures fell below the first, action must be taken or questions would be asked.

At our school, the girl average was well above the mean average, and rising - which was apparently really good. When I pointed out that meant the boys were falling behind, the frosty response was that was immaterial.

When a country's legislation is based around such farcical bias, we're on a hiding to nothing.

Because of the gender bias, I will not support White Ribbon. As I understand it, any men who get involved must sign a personal statement denouncing violence against women - but there is no such opposite requirement.

**FJRider** · 29th March 2012, 12:06

Why don't we just pass a law against violence in any form. That will stop it. Same crime ... same punishment. No preferential treatment due of the sex of anybody charged ...

Oh wait ...

**oneofsix** · 29th March 2012, 12:11

Originally Posted by FJRider

Why don't we just pass a law against violence in any form. That will stop it. Same crime ... same punishment. No preferential treatment due of the sex of anybody charged ...

Oh wait ...

Yes that's right, man attacks woman is a separate crime, as is adult attacks child. Don't think they were ever all one crime.

**FJRider** · 29th March 2012, 12:26

I recall years ago ... a Doco on tv about women in prison. The ones in for murder were mostly there for killing (or seriously maiming) their husband/partner. (ususally due to violence against them)

**Virago** · 29th March 2012, 14:11

Originally Posted by Usarka

Willie Jackson said yesterday that men who get hit by their wives are wussies (or similar). What a complete wanker.

All too often, women will keep hitting, until they are hit back - at which stage they call the police. And the law will be on their side - along with the White Ribbon brigade...

**oneofsix** · 29th March 2012, 14:24

Originally Posted by Virago

All too often, women will keep hitting, until they are hit back - at which stage they call the police. And the law will be on their side - along with the White Ribbon brigade...

Reminds me of something a friend told me. She used to take in these poor woman after they had been hit in late at night and comfort them until one day she got to spend the day outside and overheard two or three of these woman ganging up on the guy and nagging him until after a day of this he throws a punch to get some peace. When the woman came over that night the friend told her she had created the problem so now she can go home and live with it.

Not saying violence is an answer but neither is mental abuse, yeah I know provocation is no longer a defence but it can still be a reason.

**nodrog:Me** · 29th March 2012, 14:25

Originally Posted by Virago

All too often, women will keep hitting, until they are hit back - at which stage they call the police. And the law will be on their side - along with the White Ribbon brigade...

If you hit them hard enough they wont be calling anybody.