Free to a good home: one prostitute (past use-by date, may require assembly)

[jrandom]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10795508

Just another news story about this Carmen Thomas shit.

Got me wondering, though. I don't think I've ever seen any reporting on the guy telling anybody why he did it. He's obviously not insane; he just came to the conclusion that he'd kill her and take a punt on getting away with it. Once it became clear that he wouldn't get away with it, he pleaded guilty. The man is rational. And, let's face it, he's not some low-life that's going to get out of jail and reoffend. This was a one-off in exceptional circumstances.

(13 years non parole is on the light side, too. Perhaps the judge knows something we don't. Or maybe the judge's mind just works like mine.)

Now, don't tell me none of you reading this have ever woken up of a morning and seriously considered whether ridding the world of someone would be worth the risk of a decade or so in the big house. You gotta wonder what she did to motivate her murder.

And, yeah, gotta be traumatic for a kid, being brought up by his grandparents and knowing that his dad saw fit to kill his mum... but perhaps that beats being brought up by a hooker. A woman who managed to piss off an otherwise decent guy to the point where he decided to follow through on murdering her probably wasn't going to make a very good mother.

Discuss.

[nodrog:Me]

She sounded like a good women from what I have heard, a good solid foundation for a household.

[Scuba_Steve]

this is what probably sent him "over the edge"

"The deceased said to Mr Callaghan: `You don't have any say in this because you're not his father'."

[kiwifruit]

I don't know anything about this case.

No matter how exceptional circumstances may be, I can't empathise with the thinking "the world would be a better place without [whoever]".

[jrandom]

No matter how exceptional circumstances may be, I can't empathise with the thinking "the world would be a better place without Adolf Hitler".

A number of my great-aunts and uncles beg to disagree with you from beyond the grave, sir.

[SMOKEU]

I choose to take whatever I see in the media with a grain of salt. I'm not going to speculate on what happened, because I don't know enough facts of the case to make any judgement.

[oneofsix]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10795508

Just another news story about this Carmen Thomas shit.

Got me wondering, though. I don't think I've ever seen any reporting on the guy telling anybody why he did it. He's obviously not insane; he just came to the conclusion that he'd kill her and take a punt on getting away with it. Once it became clear that he wouldn't get away with it, he pleaded guilty. The man is rational. And, let's face it, he's not some low-life that's going to get out of jail and reoffend. This was a one-off in exceptional circumstances.

Discuss.

Are you a psychopath as well? To bash her to death with a kids baseball bat is rational? It took 8 blows and he reportedly stopped in the middle of the attack! I suspect what you mean is because he doesn't relate well to others he puts on a good front when in court. As to what pushed him over the edge, he wanted to be Remuera and her being alive with his kid was a reminder he wasn't.
And wtf was all that stuff in the article about the poor granny? She was estranged from her daughter and grandson before the murder. What a sob story by our wonderful press but sweet fall about the crime.

[jrandom]

Are you a psychopath as well?

As well as...?

Killing someone does not imply that one is a psychopath.

To bash her to death with a kids baseball bat is rational?

Well, once you've decided to kill someone, hitting them over the head with a bat is generally a good way to achieve that aim, yes.

It took 8 blows...

She probably dodged around a bit to start with.

As to what pushed him over the edge...

Ah no. You see, that's something that hasn't been reported on.

We simply don't know what the deciding factor was that saw him go ahead with the murder. Since he's pleaded guilty, it'll never come out in trial.

She was estranged from her daughter and grandson before the murder.

Unsurprising. The daughter sounds like the sort of offspring you'd be looking to estrange yourself from. Not the grandson's fault, of course, but whatcha gonna do?

[GingerMidget]

To truly hate someone enough to want them dead must take an extraordinary amount of anger and hurt. I can truthfully say I don't wish anyone dead, but thats not to say I don't rather dislike them. I just think there are things worse than death. Like continuing to be their obnoxious self, because god that must suck

The media have given one side of a multi sided story, and we will never truly know his motives, or how she lived her life.

It does disgust me a little that she and Mallory Manning were referred to as "the prostitute X" rather than by just their name. What should their occupation have to do with the fact they have been murdered? Does being a prostitute mean they are a disposable resource? I may not agree with that type of occupation, but nobody deserves that fate. Oldest profession in the world after all.

[SMOKEU]

To truly hate someone enough to want them dead must take an extraordinary amount of anger and hurt. I can truthfully say I don't wish anyone dead, but thats not to say I don't rather dislike them. I just think there are things worse than death. Like continuing to be their obnoxious self, because god that must suck

If anyone steals my bike then I hope they crash it and die.

[jrandom]

It does disgust me a little that she and Mallory Manning were referred to as "the prostitute X" rather than by just their name. What should their occupation have to do with the fact they have been murdered?

Find me a media report of a murder victim where their occupation isn't mentioned.

It's part of painting a picture of someone. Like it or not, what one does for a living does define one to a certain extent.

Even if only to the extent of making it clear that one doesn't really care what one does for a living and/or isn't qualified to do anything in particular.

And failing to mention that a woman works as a prostitute... constitutes leaving a fairly large portion of the canvas hidden.

[short-circuit]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10795508

Just another news story about this Carmen Thomas shit.

Got me wondering, though. I don't think I've ever seen any reporting on the guy telling anybody why he did it. He's obviously not insane; he just came to the conclusion that he'd kill her and take a punt on getting away with it. Once it became clear that he wouldn't get away with it, he pleaded guilty. The man is rational. And, let's face it, he's not some low-life that's going to get out of jail and reoffend. This was a one-off in exceptional circumstances.

(13 years non parole is on the light side, too. Perhaps the judge knows something we don't. Or maybe the judge's mind just works like mine.)

Now, don't tell me none of you reading this have ever woken up of a morning and seriously considered whether ridding the world of someone would be worth the risk of a decade or so in the big house. You gotta wonder what she did to motivate her murder.

And, yeah, gotta be traumatic for a kid, being brought up by his grandparents and knowing that his dad saw fit to kill his mum... but perhaps that beats being brought up by a hooker. A woman who managed to piss off an otherwise decent guy to the point where he decided to follow through on murdering her probably wasn't going to make a very good mother.

Discuss.

Troll King Pro

[mashman]

I kinda know what you mean. No anger or hurt, just the common sense fact that if certain people didn't exist it would be for the better. I guess if you get to the stage that you're going to go through with it, then nothing would really matter and you could kill someone in a positive, lucid state of mind.

[Katman]

It took 8 blows.....

She probably dodged around a bit to start with.

Either that or he wasn't very good at it.

[jrandom]

Either that or he wasn't very good at it.

Well, yes, he doesn't sound like he'd had much practice at killing people.

Needs must when the Devil drives, though.