From a 250, to a Gsxr1000. What a difference!

[gatch]

not really correct mate, but sorta... Knee down is done for verious reasons by many different people. Some use it as a feller guage, some to nudge the bike back up, some as a air brake, some because their stacher is such its simply eiser and yes to help keep the bike up meaning a faster corner as you can then lean more... but for the road its all wankie wankie wank wank.

Myself on the track yes If I need to but on the road na thats dumb, I get in the same body position but tuck the leg hard in to the bike, does the same thing less the wind brake then again ya shouldnt be going that farking fast on the road, and I aint gona rip a cap off.

So you get in the same body position, but keep your leg in for less air resistance. So you mean to say you are riding faster than if you had your knee down ? So what lesson are you giving out here man ?

Dragging your knee does not give you the same ability to take evasive action if required. Not the best position to be in on the road when things turn to shit.

Not the best position to be in on the road. Agreed. It is still a useful skill to be employed if you needed to use it.

Why would you not learn something if it may help you even once ?

[dangerous]

So you get in the same body position, but keep your leg in for less air resistance. So you mean to say you are riding faster than if you had your knee down ? So what lesson are you giving out here man ?

Its the road and speed should be reduced compaired to the track, who knows whats round the corner, and it depends on the bike, in this case I have a cyl head to rest my knee on, ohhh and its not just about hanging out the side... but getting weight forward to the frount axel, the back will follow, hopfully.

[ducatilover]

Its the road and speed should be reduced compaired to the track, who knows whats round the corner, and it depends on the bike, in this case I have a cyl head to rest my knee on, ohhh and its not just about hanging out the side... but getting weight forward to the frount axel, the back will follow, hopfully.

Agreed, but knee down doesn't mean fast.
I don't see the issue with having your weight to the inside of the bike as we all know hanging off properly = less lean = more tyre on the road = safer.
I've never had a problem changing direction when hanging off, the bike's settled when I get to a corner (given I don't go very fast anyway) and it's happy to do what I tell it to.

But, people who ride uber hard just to get their knee down are usually being violent with the bike and their bodies are too stiff = splat.

[onearmedbandit]

as we all know hanging off properly = less lean = more tyre on the road = safer.

Actually there is more footprint on the road when the bike is tipped over.

[ducatilover]

Actually there is more footprint on the road when the bike is tipped over.

I stand/type/lean corrected.

I'll lick me some windows now and I'll lean my bike much further, make them PPowers work.

[avgas]

Pah I got so bored of riding my thou I now do it with one arm.

Did someone warn you that you would wear the other one out if you kept grinding it away?

Here that kid. Big bikes eat arms.

[avgas]

ZRX1400... same torque as the MT-01..... 110ft lbs
FJR1300... 100ft lbs of torque not bad for a decade old bike.... Hayabusa..94ft lbs of torque
V max 123ft lbs...... B king 108ft lbs

So the Yammies are right up there for torque

Even my old FZS1000 had 99ftlbs........but somehow I lost 10-20hp?

I dyno

[macka77]

Agreed, but knee down doesn't mean fast.
I don't see the issue with having your weight to the inside of the bike as we all know hanging off properly = less lean = more tyre on the road = safer.

using the weight on the pegs gets the center of gravity down lower dramatically and weights the suspension properly and your not holding on to the bars to hang on , guys that hang off the seat knee down not using pegs only makes the bike top heavy. i stick my inside knee out just to help turn in the bike with the outside knee iv never used knee scrapers on for the road so im not a knee dragger

[ducatilover]

using the weight on the pegs gets the center of gravity down lower dramatically and weights the suspension properly and your not holding on to the bars to hang on , guys that hang off the seat knee down not using pegs only makes the bike top heavy. i stick my inside knee out just to help turn in the bike with the outside knee iv never used knee scrapers on for the road so im not a knee dragger

A twist of the wrist, books one and two.
Outside knee is gripping the tank, weight not on the bars, that disrupts the bars movement and makes the bike unstable.
Hanging off the seat does not make the bike top heavy.

[avgas]

I simply don't like getting my knee down anymore and found I am faster as I don't have to worry about 'making contact' and concentrate more on throwing the bike around the corner.

I had an incident early on with a catseye @ 150kph. You never want to put you knee anywhere near the ground after shit like that. My knee hurt for months.
But found it works more in my favor now days.............plus its more fun kicking out the rear than getting the knee down.
I miss my 1000

[macka77]

A twist of the wrist, books one and two.
Outside knee is gripping the tank, weight not on the bars, that disrupts the bars movement and makes the bike unstable.
Hanging off the seat does not make the bike top heavy.

my point was using the pegs helps better for steering as well as doing a power slide or going over holes or bumps,, shifting ur ass off the seat an dropping knee out works fine but to a point ,

[numbersixteen16]

I guess to sum up,

Knee dragging is a helpful tool, it can be used as a feeler for how far the bike is tipped over, air brake, flicking the bike back upright.
However, should be practiced on track or a controlled environment, and is more of something that should be done naturally when riding. If your concentrating on getting your knee down your less likely to notice the hazards up ahead.
You should still climb all over the bike to alter center of gravity though.

Correct me if Im wrong

[ducatilover]

I guess to sum up,

Knee dragging is a helpful tool, it can be used as a feeler for how far the bike is tipped over, air brake, flicking the bike back upright.
However, should be practiced on track or a controlled environment, and is more of something that should be done naturally when riding. If your concentrating on getting your knee down your less likely to notice the hazards up ahead.
You should still climb all over the bike to alter center of gravity though.

Correct me if Im wrong

IMO, correct

[Jantar]

....You should still climb all over the bike to alter center of gravity though.

Correct me if Im wrong

You CAN still climb all over the bike to alter center of gravity though you will be much smoother through the corners if you keep your body in line with the bike. Your tyres are designed to maximise the grip when they are at the correct angle of lean for your rate of turn, and that means keeping the center of gravity in line with the bike. Moving the center of gravity around is your last resort when you need everything to correct a mistake that you made earlier.

[gatch]

Just remember, get the wheel spinning BEFORE you enter the turn, else it's not drifting, it's plain ol power oversteer.