Some things I've learnt over the last two years

[Maha]

the best thing an instructor taught me was "everybody is out to kill you''.

Just on this bit...and keeping this in mind when you are out riding, does the EIOTKY thing have an effect on how you ride?

[Katman]

from what i have learnt, Katman suggests stopping before every corner so you can get off and push your bike around it, jump back on the bike until the next corner.

To the back of the class with you.

[Maha]

To the back of the class with you.

I think he/she needs to be closer to the front Steve...obvious earing issues.

[mellowyellow]

Just on this bit...and keeping this in mind when you are out riding, does the EIOTKY thing have an effect on how you ride?

well, as it has already been pointed out, i am just a learner. it definitly has an effect on how i drive. take less chances, dont assume the gveway rules will safe me, etc.
of course the attitude does follow onto how i ride. it's not so much the words, its the context.

i do understand what Katman (and plenty of other people) says about being prepared and ride for ANY and ALL possible hazzards that my arise. but that too has to be understood in it's context. i belive he means (as an example) to take every corner cautously, with the right drive line, at the right speed, be aware of your surroundings and be prepared for anything, like oncoming traffic on your side of the road.
not, be prepared for a plane to take you out in one foul swoop or the earth to open up and drop you in a pit of lava. both are possible

not everybody learns the same, some need to have things explained precisly and go through a check list as they are doing things. for those people, "EIOTKY" would be the wrong thing to say, they may take it literally.
some people need things to be explained in rough detail and given a little sentance to remember how the details come together. i.e. check your mirrors often and assume nothing, never assume people have seen you or will giveway to you (it could be a trap!!!), take it easy on all corners, who knows who's waiting to jump outor cross the line.

obvously you lot are just having a laugh with me, surly i didnt actually need to just reply like i did. but just in case, there it is

[avgas]

Just on this bit...and keeping this in mind when you are out riding, does the EIOTKY thing have an effect on how you ride?

Always keep one hand free to grab a shotgun?

[george formby]

Don't forget, Keep Practising. All that cone dodging in the basic test has a purpose. My gf is happily on the road now, tar seal & gravel but she is still practicing her basic handling skills. The difference is amazing now she has gained confidence riding on the road. I'm practicing with her & their is no doubt my riding is improving too, even after 30 years in the saddle.
The OP mentions not braking in a corner, eek, well it used to be eek for me but my gf's instructor spent some time with me & braking in a corner can be done controllably steering where you want to go. He also emphasized practicing correct braking regularly, I do now & consequently feel in control hammering to a stop rather than hopeful.
Never stop learning either.... it's fun!

[Maha]

well, as it has already been pointed out, i am just a learner. it definitly has an effect on how i drive. take less chances, dont assume the gveway rules will safe me, etc.
of course the attitude does follow onto how i ride. it's not so much the words, its the context.

i do understand what Katman (and plenty of other people) says about being prepared and ride for ANY and ALL possible hazzards that my arise. but that too has to be understood in it's context. i belive he means (as an example) to take every corner cautously, with the right drive line, at the right speed, be aware of your surroundings and be prepared for anything, like oncoming traffic on your side of the road.
not, be prepared for a plane to take you out in one foul swoop or the earth to open up and drop you in a pit of lava. both are possible

not everybody learns the same, some need to have things explained precisly and go through a check list as they are doing things. for those people, "EIOTKY" would be the wrong thing to say, they may take it literally.
some people need things to be explained in rough detail and given a little sentance to remember how the details come together. i.e. check your mirrors often and assume nothing, never assume people have seen you or will giveway to you (it could be a trap!!!), take it easy on all corners, who knows who's waiting to jump outor cross the line.

obvously you lot are just having a laugh with me, surly i didnt actually need to just reply like i did. but just in case, there it is

Not having a laugh at all...it was a genuine question, you have answered/explained it very well, and in saying that, it would appear that as a bike rider, you (along with every bike rider) have the obligation to be vigilant.

[george formby]

well, as it has already been pointed out, i am just a learner. it definitly has an effect on how i drive. take less chances, dont assume the gveway rules will safe me, etc.
of course the attitude does follow onto how i ride. it's not so much the words, its the context.

i do understand what Katman (and plenty of other people) says about being prepared and ride for ANY and ALL possible hazzards that my arise. but that too has to be understood in it's context. i belive he means (as an example) to take every corner cautously, with the right drive line, at the right speed, be aware of your surroundings and be prepared for anything, like oncoming traffic on your side of the road.
not, be prepared for a plane to take you out in one foul swoop or the earth to open up and drop you in a pit of lava. both are possible

not everybody learns the same, some need to have things explained precisly and go through a check list as they are doing things. for those people, "EIOTKY" would be the wrong thing to say, they may take it literally.
some people need things to be explained in rough detail and given a little sentance to remember how the details come together. i.e. check your mirrors often and assume nothing, never assume people have seen you or will giveway to you (it could be a trap!!!), take it easy on all corners, who knows who's waiting to jump outor cross the line.

obvously you lot are just having a laugh with me, surly i didnt actually need to just reply like i did. but just in case, there it is

+ 1 on wot Maha said.

At times I feel as if my pep talks to my gf will deter her from riding but no, she takes it on board & rides using her motorbike head. She freely admits to being amazed at how much she has to take in when riding compared to how she drove a car.
I describe the safety aspect as "riding in space", dictate as far as possible your own safety by putting yourself in the best position on the road to anticipate & avoid any hazard.
Boiling lava, non flying planes & scaffolding poles coming off lorries are unfortunately tough to avoid.

[mellowyellow]

scaffolding poles coming off lorries are unfortunately tough to avoid.

i know i shouldn't laugh, especially since it seems like you are talking from experience
did you use the counter steering method, stand up on your pedals method or my personal favourite, "drop" and "roll" method.
with all seriousness, something like that IS possible, im not sure i would know what to do, other than shit myself.

[oneofsix]

i know i shouldn't laugh, especially since it seems like you are talking from experience
did you use the counter steering method, stand up on your pedals method or my personal favourite, "drop" and "roll" method.
with all seriousness, something like that IS possible, im not sure i would know what to do, other than shit myself.

You forgot drop and slide. The point would be to notice it slipping from the truck and start avoiding before the emergency

[george formby]

i know i shouldn't laugh, especially since it seems like you are talking from experience
did you use the counter steering method, stand up on your pedals method or my personal favourite, "drop" and "roll" method.
with all seriousness, something like that IS possible, im not sure i would know what to do, other than shit myself.

I was on an XT 350 so I just leant back & closed my eyes. I still came off but it was a low side rather than a superman.

[mellowyellow]

You forgot drop and slide. The point would be to notice it slipping from the truck and start avoiding before the emergency

ahh yes, i was thinking like a cage driver wasn't i. texting and eating pie, wondering why someone dropped some poles in front of me. crap, i dropped the pie
vs
noticeing a loose load and either backing off or riding a different route.
failing that, having enough following distance, i would be able to maneuver to the side and stop without the car behind knocking me over

[oneofsix]

ahh yes, i was thinking like a cage driver wasn't i. texting and eating pie, wondering why someone dropped some poles in front of me. crap, i dropped the pie
vs
noticeing a loose load and either backing off or riding a different route.
failing that, having enough following distance, i would be able to maneuver to the side and stop without the car behind knocking me over

You had to mention the car behind Actually been there but luckily in a cage. Hit the achors to avoid the palet cover coming off the truck going through the windscreen, the car behind shortened my vehicle by nearly 1m on left corner

Glad to see you already know to manoeuvre to the side of the distracted driver following. Sometimes just too much comes at you at once so having strategies to minimise risk pays.

[george formby]

You forgot drop and slide. The point would be to notice it slipping from the truck and start avoiding before the emergency

It would be unfortunate learning that in your first couple of years on the road.

[oneofsix]

It would be unfortunate learning that in your first couple of years on the road.

but best to be made aware of it on the thread like this.

First you are nervous as hell and careful
Then you see the bulletproofs ride by, here some of their shit talk, get cocky perhaps.
If you are lucky you get to learn from others making you aware of the dangers, or you live to learn from your mistakes and get wiser, was going to say cautious and perhaps that is the correct word.