Anyone in Waikanae know anything? Please come forward. Disgusting and gutless!

[Macontour]

Just guessing but 87 means he more than likely did his bit in WW2 one way or another or maybe Korea. Then he would have worked 40 hours a week until he turned 65, most of it for one employer, grafting away to pay off his mortgage while his wife raised the kids. They would have made sure their kids were brought up properly, repectful of their elders, well fed and with a good work ethic.

He is from the generation where men wore hats and tipped them to ladies, where kids stood up on public transport to allow older people or pregnant ladies to sit, where you bought something when you had saved up for it and your reward for a hard weeks physical work was a couple of beers before 6 o'clock.

Salt of the earth they call that generation.

Those little toerags shouldn't even be allowed to breathe the same air as the poor old guy.

[FJRider]

As for that last bit, how would I feel if I 'got bashed and they got away with it'? I took up boxing and waited for him to come back. He only did it once. What did the police do? Gave him a suspended sentence, and CS. Not a real punishment, but the assualt charge is enough to stop him going further than australia.

Well done you.

It's not the police ... usually. Just the Court "system" ... (Blame the judges)

And those sort don't usually stop at one conviction ... but even one may stop him going to Aus to work.

[tigertim20]

You want to lock them up for longer eh?

In what prisons? By keeping them in for longer, we will then need to up the capacity, it will be a bigger burden on the already stretched tax dollars and people will just get more and more pissed about having to pay to keep the scum away from us.

M.

a longitudinal study of the USA's highly umpopular three strikes rule showed that after 10 years, there was a significant downward trend in crime, do you think that 'but its expensive' is really a good excuse to not punish crime to the extent to which it deserves?

the longitudinal study shows that while the cost may be greater in the short term, in the long term, there are financial benefits to harsher penalties.

Im not saying I agree with everything smokeu said, but he is right on one thing, Our criminal justice system is massively inneffective, and it needs a massive overhaul - the incoming changes to the parole system are a start, a small one, but a start none the less.

anything that encourages discussion, and has a hope of moving towards a better system has to be a good thing imo.

[JustNick]

Just guessing but 87 means he more than likely did his bit in WW2 one way or another or maybe Korea. Then he would have worked 40 hours a week until he turned 65, most of it for one employer, grafting away to pay off his mortgage while his wife raised the kids. They would have made sure their kids were brought up properly, repectful of their elders, well fed and with a good work ethic.

He is from the generation where men wore hats and tipped them to ladies, where kids stood up on public transport to allow older people or pregnant ladies to sit, where you bought something when you had saved up for it and your reward for a hard weeks physical work was a couple of beers before 6 o'clock.

Salt of the earth they call that generation.

Those little toerags shouldn't even be allowed to breathe the same air as the poor old guy.

Well said. I hope that the old guy fully recovers and those idiots are caught before they do it to someone else.

[SMOKEU]

You want to lock them up for longer eh?

In what prisons? By keeping them in for longer, we will then need to up the capacity, it will be a bigger burden on the already stretched tax dollars and people will just get more and more pissed about having to pay to keep the scum away from us.

Mine wasn't vigilante justice either. It was the end of an abusive relationship. Slight difference.

Prisons are not meant to be a holiday camp. Throw more of them into existing cells, and don't give them all the privelidges they demand. Take a look at the Asian, African and South American prisons for ideas.

How did they allow it ??? ... so it's the Goverments fault ... ???

They're the ones putting known repeat offenders into communities, so it is the fault of the government for not doing more to protect citizens. To top it all off, we're not even allowed to defend our own property with potentially deadly weapons such as firearms or a machete.

[oneofsix]

Prisons are not meant to be a holiday camp. Throw more of them into existing cells, and don't give them all the privelidges they demand. Take a look at the Asian, African and South American prisons for ideas.

I agree but ... our government signed up to some UN convention that dictates that prison itself is the punishment and no other punishment can be add to that. This includes cramped conditions, removal of privileges etc, hence why they can't be made to do hard labour. Funny how the USA can run work gangs.

Also the government see a cost in prisons.

Bring back the stocks. Lock these pricks in the mid-evil stocks in the middle of the Waikanae mall and let the people of Waikanae punish them.

[FJRider]

They're the ones putting known repeat offenders into communities, so it is the fault of the government for not doing more to protect citizens. To top it all off, we're not even allowed to defend our own property with potentially deadly weapons such as firearms or a machete.

The judges seldom award the maximum penalty in sentencing .... nothing to do with instruction from the Goverment.

The victim concerned was in his 80's ... I doubt if he would be allowed a firearms licence. And I'm sure a shotgun shot of rock-salt would have changed the attitude of the arseholes concerned ... pretty dam quickly.

[5150]

I see that they arrested 16 yo scumbag. Hope he becomes someone's bitch while in the jouvy.

[willytheekid]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...of-87-year-old

Great job as usual NZ police

...now watch the courts give this shit a slap on the wrist

[nodrog:Me]

Anyone in Waikanae know anything?

no

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[oneofsix]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...of-87-year-old

Great job as usual NZ police

...now watch the courts give this shit a slap on the wrist

Yes great job.

A frigging import come down here to cause trouble. And the slap on the wrist will be administered by a court totally without any feel for the community that was affected, make the prick walk back to Waikanae to appear in front of the people affected rather than his mates.

[SMOKEU]

Now that the little cunt is going to be treated by the youth court, he will get a fucking pathetic "sentence", and he will be out doing the same shit to some other innocent victim soon enough. If people are prepared to behave like an animal, then they should be treated like one by the justice system.

[oneofsix]

Now that the little cunt is going to be treated by the youth court, he will get a fucking pathetic "sentence", and he will be out doing the same shit to some other innocent victim soon enough. If people are prepared to behave like an animal, then they should be treated like one by the justice system.

but how else are we going to bread these sort of cunts where adults and off duty cops are afraid. Of course there was the added factor of charging those who stand up to these pricks.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6763...r-help-ignored

[willytheekid]

...And I'm sure a shotgun shot of rock-salt would have changed the attitude of the arseholes concerned ... pretty dam quickly.

+1

Best home defence system there is mate

I like to use my 3 stage home defence system

The warning, the attack, and the finishing move!...or

1. Bokken! (hard wood training sword...with over 5yrs training invested...it hangs on the wall for quick access & use)
2. 2 x Wakizashi! (Razor sharp half Katana's...given to me by my sensei after completing the above training-also have a real Katana...but that does not get drawn!)
3. 12 gauge! loaded with rocksalt (because I believe in "peace through superior fire power"...and your about to be a"salted")

Why so extreme you may ask?
Because I made a promise to my family that I would protect them and our property from shit heads & criminals like this...and I will do it by ANY means (Even if I am forced to break the law!...I hate violence!...but Im VERY good at it )

Love the Police and the work they do...but they are always busy, and the justice system! (the joke that it is!) seems to protect the criminals!...not us

So as a small guy who grew up in a violent family...I live by the following:

"Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance"
-Sun Tzu

"...Then Rip there balls off and feed them to them!"
-Willythekid

I have, and ALWAYS will help others in need....but I realise nowdays...that I will more than likey kill without mercy or hesitation for my family!

...what would you do to protect yours? (or do you believe the law can!)

[Paul in NZ]

Its all very well and good wanting to kill the little shit. I mean its very close to where I live and yeah - the children of the love generation aint exactly well behaved at times and it being the school holidays the place is crawling with them. Manys the time I've wanted to beat the crap out of them but it doesnt work. (no I don't know the answer either) Chances are he was sent down here for the hols to stay with nana 'cos mum has to work (if you are lucky).

There is a problem here though. The number one issue is that we need to keep these kids in school 'cos there just are not enough jobs for them and most of them want to be anywhere but school. There simply has to be more jobs for these kids at the entry point to get them working and exposed to a wider variety of adults so they get the rough bits knocked off. However all we create here is poverty and we still sell our jobs off shore to the lowest bidder... Damn stupid.