Is it Bucket legal or not?

[sidwyz]

Most of us are familar with the rules, for those that aren't,

http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/2012_M..._Miniature.pdf

MNZ have been/are of NO use to detirmine what is legal or not.

Lets collectivly sort this out!
We (the racers) are the ones policing the rules so we all should make it clear.

F5 is a great class just lacking no.s!!

There are very few donor engines available and those that are, are getting old and hard to find.
eg, RG50, Cb100, sl100 ect.

The only engine at the moment becoming very available is the XR100 or CRF100. but fall into the usual grey area.

My opinion is they are legal!!
What do you all think?

Also opinions on the CRF150f (2 valve aircooled, very similar to GL145)as legal or not.
Not the CRF150r which is the watercooled 4 valve motocross bike, that is clearly ILLEGAL.

Dont forget to vote on the poll.

[Rick 52]

Most of us are familar with the rules, for those that aren't,

http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/2012_M..._Miniature.pdf

MNZ have been/are of NO use to detirmine what is legal or not.

Lets collectivly sort this out!
We (the racers) are the ones policing the rules so we all should make it clear.

F5 is a great class just lacking no.s!!

There are very few donor engines available and those that are, are getting old and hard to find.
eg, RG50, Cb100, sl100 ect.

The only engine at the moment becoming very available is the XR100 or CRF100. but fall into the usual grey area.

My opinion is they are legal!!
What do you all think?

Also opinions on the CRF150f (2 valve aircooled, very similar to GL145)as legal or not.
Not the CRF150r which is the watercooled 4 valve motocross bike, that is clearly ILLEGAL.

Dont forget to vote on the poll.

We have a XL100 1978 and it is the same as a XR100 and the XR is not a competion engine so is legal ....Isn't it ??

[Rick 52]

We have a XL100 1978 and it is the same as a XR100 and the XR is not a competion engine so is legal ....Isn't it ??

Hhahaha Brilliant !! I have just pressed the wrong button ..Sorry guys .

[Yow Ling]

I think you should post pictures of whatever you are talking about, apart from a xl100 I dont know what any of them look like.
Hell they could be real styley things or even be painted in colours that would influence our decision.
If you were serious you would be looking for a minerali AM6 or a Euro4 derbi 50

[Henk]

I think you should post pictures of whatever you are talking about, apart from a xl100 I dont know what any of them look like.
Hell they could be real styley things or even be painted in colours that would influence our decision.
If you were serious you would be looking for a minerali AM6 or a Euro4 derbi 50

The reason people are playing with 100cc diesels up here at the moment is availability and ease as much as anything else, same reasons as the proliferation of FXRs really.
Sunday there were a bunch of us scrapping it out for second place and having a great time while Nathaniel raced around on his own and lapped the whole field on the derbi.
Young Mr Diprose raked in the points but the rest of us probably had more fun beating each other up for second place.

[kel]

Legal, along with all its after market add on goodies to take it up to 19hp


Illegal


Dont shoot the messenger, I didnt write the rules

[mossy1200]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=464623963

???????? Lazy 150 motor chinese. Its not mx . Is it enduro and if so why isnt a xl

[Yow Ling]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=464623963

???????? Lazy 150 motor chinese. Its not mx . Is it enduro and if so why isnt a xl

XL has a headlight

[Timber020]

What about postie bike/ct110 engines? I know they are 105cc (a hair over 100cc) and 4 speed. But Newmanz offers a 107cc loncin copy thats 7hp for $399. or are they unsuitable? (you can crash start them to just in case anyones wondering about the autoclutch)

[mossy1200]

XL has a headlight

Is that the only reason? Why does that matter because it needs to be removed to race. Loncin website lists the 150cc as a dirt bike engine and also a gocart engine.

[Yow Ling]

Is that the only reason? Why does that matter because it needs to be removed to race. Loncin website lists the 150cc as a dirt bike engine and also a gocart engine.

Seeing as it is a go kart engine it is specifically excluded, dirt bike is a little more vague as there are some that are within the rules

[mossy1200]

Seeing as it is a go kart engine it is specifically excluded, dirt bike is a little more vague as there are some that are within the rules

LONCIN motor is listed as a gocart motor. Isnt that what everyone is using?

CMG doesnt have alot of info but if people allow xr100 motor based on it being the same as xl100 I cant see the difference. The CMG is a air cooled motor with non comp gearbox. Its just to hard to see where the line is drawn.

[Yow Ling]

What about postie bike/ct110 engines? I know they are 105cc (a hair over 100cc) and 4 speed. But Newmanz offers a 107cc loncin copy thats 7hp for $399. or are they unsuitable? (you can crash start them to just in case anyones wondering about the autoclutch)

MINIATURE ROAD RACING
Championship Classes
Solo motorcycles shall have two engine capacity classes:
F4 2 stroke 55-100cc
2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled
4 stroke 55-150cc
Effective 1st January 2012
F5 2 stroke 0-50cc
4 stroke 0-100cc air cooled
Sidecars shall have one engine capacity class:
2 stroke 55-100cc
2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled
4 stroke 55-150cc
The maximum capacity for rebored engines shall be:
F4 2 stroke 55-100cc - 104cc
2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled - 130.5cc
4 stroke 55-150cc – 158.09cc
F5 2 stroke 0-50cc - 53cc
4 stroke 0-100cc - 104cc

Seeing as 105 and 107 cc are bigger than 104 they are are not eligible for F5 they ok for f4 though, otherwise why not run 125 watercooled 2t's and 160 diesels. you cant just have something because it only cheats a little bit.

[Yow Ling]

LONCIN motor is listed as a gocart motor. Isnt that what everyone is using?

CMG doesnt have alot of info but if people allow xr100 motor based on it being the same as xl100 I cant see the difference. The CMG is a air cooled motor with non comp gearbox. Its just to hard to see where the line is drawn.

Everyone is using FXR motor, I cant understand why you want to run at the back, and spend as much money as somebody nearer the front.

[koba]

LONCIN motor is listed as a gocart motor. Isnt that what everyone is using?

CMG doesnt have alot of info but if people allow xr100 motor based on it being the same as xl100 I cant see the difference. The CMG is a air cooled motor with non comp gearbox. Its just to hard to see where the line is drawn.

The Loncin is generally accepted on the basis that it is a Honda GL145 clone.

I'm not sure about the CMG, yeah the lines do seem a bit fuzzy. Best bet is to not piss about arguing for marginal cases and take up a platform that is indisputable. The engines that attract regular debate tend to be non-competitive lumps of poop anyway so why bother?