Just bought my first bike, anybody regularly riding over Port Hills? (Mushu)

[Asher]

Good to hear you arent banged up too bad.

When i stopped to wait at the top of the pass and you never came i thought it might have had something to do with that 4x4.
He wasnt too far off getting me; driving in the middle of the road around blind corners.

[Mushu]

Good to hear you arent banged up too bad.

When i stopped to wait at the top of the pass and you never came i thought it might have had something to do with that 4x4.
He wasnt too far off getting me; driving in the middle of the road around blind corners.

I'm glad you said that, I know that bit is kinda tight but I did think he was a bit further over than was necessary.
Doesn't change the fact I should have been prepared for it though, it's not uncommon for that to happen up there.

I have no Idea how it broke the peg mount though, I didn't hit the ground very hard (the bike landed on my foot too, I can't see how it broke the peg but not my foot), made it a bitch to get the thing home, but that and the indicator are the only things that need replacing for it to be rideable again but I might stay off it untill I get the fairing replaced too.

[hammer nz]

Glad to hear you are okay man!
Sad about dropping the bike but it happens!! don't beat yourself up too much.

When your back up and running let me know and ill come out for a welcome back ride!

[Mushu]

Glad to hear you are okay man!
Sad about dropping the bike but it happens!! don't beat yourself up too much.

When your back up and running let me know and ill come out for a welcome back ride!

Yea, it sucks, but I'll get it fixed and take the lesson.
I'll be back, I hear its a 3 week wait for the fairing so it might be a little while.


Also.

I'm wondering if there's anyone out there that may have upgraded to aftermarket parts that may be willing to sell me the original parts like front brake lever, right peg mount, right indicator stalk, muffler. If anyone got any of these parts laying around(that should be interchangable with anything since '08, or '10 for the muffler) PM me, I may be able to take them off your hands.

[Ender EnZed]

it would be extremely hard to find another 1600 that makes as much power (except for the honda b16r).

4g92-mivec

[Mushu]

4g92-mivec

I never thought that high of the 4G92 I was able to beat one of those in a drag race in my very lightly modified gemini years and years ago, probably a crap driver though.

But the 4G92 Lancers/Mirages I have come across don't seem to be as fun to drive as the Levin/Civic but thats just me, but they may have been faster, seat of the pants dyno is highly subjective.

I have a bias against mitsis tho, I think. (not as much as subaru)

[Transalper]

....sounds like you are at at the edge of over cooking it, I'd back off a bit if I were you, I think you're probably trying too hard.....

Well, I suppose it doesn't matter how many times I told myself I wouldn't, I dropped the damn bike....

Well done.
'nuff said.

[Mushu]

Well done.
'nuff said.

Thanks for that, really helpful..... and I suppose you've never come off, or even come close.

It was my fault, and your welcome to think what you like, but it really had very little to do with the speed I was travelling at the time.

It had more to do with my poorly chosen line (turn in too early) and the fact that I over reacted when I was suprised by a Land Cruiser half in my lane, (read back about a haf dozen posts, Asher was 5 or 6 seconds infront of me)

If I were in a car I would be pissed at the other driver and proclaiming my innocence (there is no way I would have got a car through the space that he left) but on a bike you have to be ready for anything, anybody that has ever come off a bike (unless they were directly hit by another vehicle doing something illegal) is themselves at fault, you can make assumtions about others driving skill when you have a ton of steel protecting you, but on a bike you're better off assuming that everyone is out to run you off the road and around every corner is a 4x4 waiting ready to flatten you.
Unfortunatly I didn't follow my own advice on that corner and in that instance was not lucky.

I didn't buy my bike cos its faster than my cars (its not) and I'm damn sure I'm not Rossi.
I bought it because I love my cars and I love travelling, and I would like to do it from a different perspective.

No where on here was I trying to sound like a squid and plenty of people on here have crashed bikes, why don't you go give them your wonderful advice?

So why the hate toward me? I was honest, haven't tried to put it on anyone else, and I shared what I learned.

[Transalper]

I wasn't planning to lecture, I'm trying to cut down on lecturing hence the four word post, but since you seem to be all defensive and wanting maybe I will.
Fallen off several times myself, had simply tried to wake you up a bit with my lessons learned several posts back as I have indeed done for others so no I'm not picking on you. Unfortunately not many of you newbies seem to get it without actually coming off yourselves. Really can't say if I would have been any different but I didn't have anyone at least trying to wake me up back when I was learning and I paid the price so yes I do speak up occasionally as I seem to have done quite a bit recently in the current WNR thread.
Had you backed off a bit as I suggested your bad line would not have been such an issue, neither would the oncoming vehicle stealing your lane or the surprise it gave you, and yes it is a public road blah blah so expect it any time as you have just said yourself again.
Imagine if there was a cyclist mixed up in the equation too, even less room for error.
We all hate the guy coming the other way using our space but that is a fact of life we can't control just as my earlier words had no influence on what you did on Wednesday - other than to annoy you when you read them apparently, same with today.

[Subike]

wow there young fella
you are on the end of a wooden spoon
OK, you binned, heck me too on a brand new bike that had only done 155kilometers
I got shit for it,
But I laughed and let it be water, didn't respond to the taunts, unless I knew the person personally.
Transalp was not being nasty,
he has seen many many riders on the same road you had you experience on, have that same experience.
The difference here if there is one, is your blog leading up to this incident.
this is a thread about getting your knee down by a north island rider you should read,
The story is similar to yours, but the ending is so different.
Me thinks you should read it

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...cle-noob/page6

[skinman]

just to make you feel worse. I had a stationary lie down with my bike the other day, ended up fully under the bike with the entire weight of the bike on my ankle. total damage was broken indicator & I had not a scratch because I have the right boots for the job. By the way my bike weighs about 250kg ish. could have been broken ankle material.
Get All The Gear, especially as you appear to do a lot of k's at speed.
Sooner or late your going for a slide & it will hurt a lot less if it only costs money to fix the bike.
We dont say this for fun, most of us have learnt the hard way.
I had an off at under 50k & still slide far enough to have done real damage if I'd been wearing jeans & T shirt instead of protective gear.

By the way
welcome & have fun but be careful out there

[ducatilover]

I disagree, the tech may not have been new but its pretty exotic. The 5 valve head and individual throttles are extremely rare and variable cam timing wasn't as common in the early 90s, plus the block design is (rumoured to have been) taken directly from the Cosworth BDA engine and the head, inlet manifold and airbox were designed by Yamaha (I have a Silvertop, they did a far better job of this on the Blacktop from the AE111.) It would be extremely hard to find another 1600 that makes as much power (except for the Honda B16R). Although european manufacturers are the first to come up with most of this tech (EFI was invented in Germany, Pugeot Used 5 Valve Heads in the 1920s and Cosworth is English) the japanese seem to always be the first to employ new technology and make it reliable enough to be used for decades (The newsest car I ever had was 16 years old at the time)

The BD series motors were nothing new.
People have been making mega HP out of small motors for a looooong time. Look at bikes...BRM V16s, H16S etc etc. 5V heads are not that special, individual throttle bodies? Meh, Lucas had done that in the dark days.
The new tech is the VVTi, MAP sensors and knock sensors. Nothing special, all designed for emmisions. None improve performance.

Nissan did the SR16VE which to my knowledge was the most powerful Jap 1.6 n/a ever made? 139kw at a million RPM.
I do like a good 4AGE too though.




Hope your pride heals after your crash bro, keep your chin up!

[Transalper]

...
this is a thread about getting your knee down by a north island rider you should read,
The story is similar to yours, but the ending is so different.
Me thinks you should read it

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...cle-noob/page6

Thanks Subike and wow, thanks for that link.
I went back to page 1 and read it from the start. Quite a progression, you can see the potential to end as it has from a page or two away.

[Mushu]

what I have been trying to say is I wasn't going quickly at all around that particular corner I know the area pretty well and that area can be quite slippery and littered with twigs and leaves because of the bushes that hang over the road (I hadnt considered untill after that this would be the reason he was over the center). The biggest problem was me going way too far off line by over reacting to the car and then fixating on the ditch, I wound up in it.

I do appreciate that any speed makes the problem worse and with enough less speed my bike would still be shiny, probably the reason I got a bit defensive is I had considered my speed and the avaliable grip before I came into the corner, that speed would have been perfectly fine with a decent line. I hadn't considered an oncoming car at all let alone 1 in my lane, if Id been prepared I wouldn't have had a problem at all.

As far as an obstical in my lane, I wish there was one. I would have seen it earlier, it probably would have been smaller and not heading toward me and because of the bushes I was prepared to deal with a stationary object (I remember looking at a stick in the oncoming lane while I was dusting myself off and picking up the bike that was about a foot long and an inch thick)

Like I said, I have been honest here, I didn't want all the details of this stack up on the forum because it was stupid and embarassing. But I did see some merit in posting enough to put across what I learned about wearing boots since I had previously stated different and enough details to try avoid having to explain what happend to everyone that heard I had binned it.

It's not that I don't open it up and see how far I can crank it over around corners, I have made it clear on this forum that I do. But there is a time and a place for it, and that is a corner you can see clear around and has a known good surface not a skinny, dark, thin overgrown piece of road with an elevation change and a solid rock wall on the outside.

But nomatter how experienced you are or how good you are, you can't presume to be able to diagnose my riding over a forum. Even if you were on that WNR I went on to Little river that was a couple days after I got my bike (only about 800ks iirc) now 5000ks later I may have learned a thing or 2 (or picked up new bad habits).
This thread is called 'anybody riding over the hills?' incase thats not obvious that is an invitation I put out hoping a more experienced rider than myself would come on a ride and give me some constructive advice, shit, my mum tells me to slow down.

I go as fast as I perceive to be safe given the conditions sometimes that allows me to open it right up sometimes I'll be going far slower than the guy infront of me. Usually I'm right, I wish I was perfect.

[Mushu]

wow there young fella
you are on the end of a wooden spoon
OK, you binned, heck me too on a brand new bike that had only done 155kilometers
I got shit for it,
I laughed and let it be water, didn't respond to the taunts, unless I knew the person personally.
Transalp was not being nasty,
he has seen many many riders on the same road you had you experience on, have that same experience.
The difference here if there is one, is your blog leading up to this incident.
this is a thread about getting your knee down by a north island rider you should read,
The story is similar to yours, but the ending is so different.
Me thinks you should read it

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...cle-noob/page6

well, I can't say I'm laughing but it is water, and I will deal with it, fix the bike, get back on it and learn from my mistake, you are right, I shouldn't bite back but that is half the point of internet forums isn't it, every1 loves a flame war.

I have realised I left out that it was a right hand corner, I realised the way I described it if it were a left corner it would sound like I was running wide going too fast, it was a right hand corner with my wheels about a foot in from the centerline and my head just on my side of the line, when I say I over reacted I mean I stood it up and went slightly left, reducing my braking area but still decided to brake rather than turn (I think as a result of the scare of a huge 4x4).

The thread u linked is a good read, but I think I'm missing the parallel if there was meant to be one. Except the fact we were both learners with a love of over researching things.
For a start, he seems a bit underexperienced to be riding on the road at all (so far I have only read till his first crash -its getting late, ill read if I have time tomorrow) remember I said I worked on dairy farms and have some experience of dirt bikes and thought I was bare minimum experience to ride in traffic.

Edit:
So I finished reading the thread, definatly something every confident rider should read to make sure they don't get too confident on the road.

But I hope you weren't seriously drawing a parallel between me and him, right from extremely early on he was a fucking idiot even the first time he binned it it was solely because he overcooked it and he went off pretty hard, my bike is only cosmetic damage and despite the fact I didn't get my foot out from under the bike till after I sat up it doesn't hurt much at all now except the light scrape on my heel. This is because I was barely moving when it actually went over.

If at any point through his videos he had have come across a car across the center like I did he would have been dead.

I always leave available grip for emergency situations and would never dream of pulling that crap on a bike, that is a death wish, I'm glad he got the opportunity to learn from his mistake.

That's why I have my MR2, wait till the middle of the night and you can go up to summit rd and drive as fast as you want, there wont be many cars and you can see the lights from miles away. It's really not worth the cost of going all out on a bike on the road. The bike is there to enjoy I'm far more interested in smooth than fast.