Mini-motard for bucket racing?

[crazy man]

Very likely but I have a habit of not crashing often but doing a very good job of it when I do. My posty managed to go 2 metres up before landing upside down and going end over end twice last bin.

there must be a old tf100 or a xl125 just waiting for you for a good price

[mossy1200]

there must be a old tf100 or a xl125 just waiting for you for a good price

Have led 2 tard me auctions on bikes that wouldnt have had any questions asked about them at all to have the auctions pulled.I have been looking for a while maybe a year so far. Unless I put over 1k into a bike in wellington at the moment my options are zero.
Try engine search trade me bikes under 2k in wellington in lowest price order. Fxr150 is the next lowest at $1010 which will become $1400+ by auction end.
What I would like to know is why the CMG150 engine is any less legal than a loncin150 engine or is it the bikes frame or shape that is the issue? Could I buy the bike and put a loncin or fxr engine into the frame and sell the cmg engine to recover some costs? Could I run the cmg engine in a less competitive class till I find a suitable 100 2smoke or 150 4stroke. Are there any acceptable options for this bike? Am I going to have issues with every motard looking bucket?

Does everyone agree that the cmg is not a race orientated engine that has zero advantages over any other 150 4stroke.
Ill admit the bike itself is a poor mans copy of the yamaha but its not a performance equivatent replica its really just a look the part dirty bike.

[Yow Ling]

Hey Mossy, look at this http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-466917962.htm
put a TF or TS in it scrounge up some wheels and second hand tyres could easy do it under 600. These are great frames an TS motors are real easy to fit
I have one in the shed just like it. 6 foot 5 no problem

[mossy1200]

Hey Mossy, look at this http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-466917962.htm
put a TF or TS in it scrounge up some wheels and second hand tyres could easy do it under 600. These are great frames an TS motors are real easy to fit
I have one in the shed just like it. 6 foot 5 no problem

Yeah its on my watchlist but its also only 100 today but maybe more later and its also in auckland.16inch front 18rear.I had one frame in the shed last year(vt) and I made the mistake of selling it.When I built my trailer out of a bucket frame I had a engine(this was after selling the rg frame not at the same time).Winding back time idd be having fun on the track already.
Im very keen to get the answers on the previous questions in last post refering to frame being ok etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=aGsol9_kY28

[Henk]

I'm in the CMG would be legal but not competitive camp.
Mind you I'm also in the CRF100 is legal camp, just because it's a dirt bike doesn't make it a race bike.
I guess what creates the grey area is that fact that twenty years ago when the XR range was new they were sold as enduro bikes, and talented blokes like Sean Clarke went out and won on them. Now you can still buy XR200s new as far as I'm aware but anyone suggesting they are more than that a play bike or sheep chaser would get laughed at.
I've built an F5 bike using a CRF100 motor and doubt it will ever get protested and I think it's inside the rules. I do understand why people get wound up about the rules as there are people who have gone to a lot of effort to build legal bikes when it may have been easier to cheat.
As for the budget thing, in real terms a Competive bucket probably costs as much now in 2012 dollars as a competitive bucket did in 1982 dollars back then. And at the end it is bucket racing not bucket riding so people are always going to be looking for any edge they can find.
Late eighties I owned a bucket for a bit, didn't ever race it since I couldn't afford to drop the required coin on leathers etc, my brand new Ixon one piece cost less now that it was going to set me back then, and that's straight dollars not allowing for inflation. In some ways racing these things is cheaper now than it was twenty years ago.

[mossy1200]

I'm in the CMG would be legal but not competitive camp.
Mind you I'm also in the CRF100 is legal camp, just because it's a dirt bike doesn't make it a race bike.
I guess what creates the grey area is that fact that twenty years ago when the XR range was new they were sold as enduro bikes, and talented blokes like Sean Clarke went out and won on them. Now you can still buy XR200s new as far as I'm aware but anyone suggesting they are more than that a play bike or sheep chaser would get laughed at.
I've built an F5 bike using a CRF100 motor and doubt it will ever get protested and I think it's inside the rules. I do understand why people get wound up about the rules as there are people who have gone to a lot of effort to build legal bikes when it may have been easier to cheat.
As for the budget thing, in real terms a Competive bucket probably costs as much now in 2012 dollars as a competitive bucket did in 1982 dollars back then. And at the end it is bucket racing not bucket riding so people are always going to be looking for any edge they can find.
Late eighties I owned a bucket for a bit, didn't ever race it since I couldn't afford to drop the required coin on leathers etc, my brand new Ixon one piece cost less now that it was going to set me back then, and that's straight dollars not allowing for inflation. In some ways racing these things is cheaper now than it was twenty years ago.

Believe me I know about spending and developing as I put almost 20k into my posty to win races rather than just show up.Managed to get some records but it was holding back other areas of my life like travel etc and when GW joined posties i was going to need pull motor dump start and alt and lighten crank spend more and get lighter wheels just to try reach the new level set plus improve my riding also. I just dont want to join buckets and end up close enough to the front that I get tempted to coin my way higher up. I like the idea of having fun on a motard style bucket with zero intensions of being at the pointy end until some other goals in life and promises I have made my wife become her reality. Maybe ill just need wait another year and spend the grand + when I can afford it but at the moment I restrict myself to spending a small percentage of my call out income on motorcycling.

I do however have a race suit,$700 race helmet gloves and race boots plus back brace and van with bike front wheel built in holder and tie down loops LOL

[Henk]

If you are confident that you can keep the chineese shitter going go for it I say. Kyle doesn't get told to sod off with his DR125 so you should be safe.
As for coining it to the front of A grade. The four freaks at the front in Wellington have mad skills to go with the gear, no matter what I had in the way of equipment I doubt I'd be able to live with Fishie and co, in fact I don't doubt it, I know it. More likely I'd die trying than beat Fish, Rich, Hamish and Andrew.

[avgas]

You should prob add port to that list too....

2 if you have one of those fancy buckets

[Henk]

2 if you have one of those fancy buckets

The port in question is Old Tawny, definitely not rich ruby.

[mossy1200]

If you are confident that you can keep the chineese shitter going go for it I say. Kyle doesn't get told to sod off with his DR125 so you should be safe.
As for coining it to the front of A grade. The four freaks at the front in Wellington have mad skills to go with the gear, no matter what I had in the way of equipment I doubt I'd be able to live with Fishie and co, in fact I don't doubt it, I know it. More likely I'd die trying than beat Fish, Rich, Hamish and Andrew.

it was glen that beat Fish an I in the endurence by a lap. We could have won it but Fish just let me do to many laps LOL.He didnt seem as keen on getting back on the bike the second time and left me doing to many laps.I think I needed more time on small bikes as my only racing previous was 140 rear wheel hp+ and 200kg on 22 year old bike. Fishies bike was all corner and no power compaired to mine but I must say he knows how to ride it.

Ill watch the auction and if it stays low ill have a go at buying it and swap the front end. If the engine is the factor that keeps it out of B grade ill just swap that for another later as I can afford it. im assuming the frame is ok and look of the motard style is acceptable.

[avgas]

Yes that Capri should do well...

You've clearly never owned a Capri!
I would say 'driven' but that is an even more rare occurrence.

[Kendog]

im assuming the frame is ok and look of the motard style is acceptable.

As long as the frame fits the rules, I don't think it matters that is is a mortard style.

Riding mortard style is not acceptable i.e. leg out. A couple of years back someone caused a few crashes in b grade riding with his leg out into corners. One of the riders that crashed almost went over and smacked him one. She was real mad, lol.

[Henk]

Frames are open, otherwise we wouldn't have all the flash RS rollers turning up. Not complaining about them,just jealous.

[mossy1200]

As long as the frame fits the rules, I don't think it matters that is is a mortard style.

Riding mortard style is not acceptable i.e. leg out. A couple of years back someone caused a few crashes in b grade riding with his leg out into corners. One of the riders that crashed almost went over and smacked him one. She was real mad, lol.

I wouldnt dream of putting a leg out or inventing new race lines but the long flat seat would be ideal for me to climb from one side to the other.

[koba]

Ill watch the auction and if it stays low ill have a go at buying it and swap the front end. If the engine is the factor that keeps it out of B grade ill just swap that for another later as I can afford it. im assuming the frame is ok and look of the motard style is acceptable.

You won't get turned away if it is safe and all nyloned.

Motard style has nothing to do with legality, engines and transmissions are the things limited non-competition.
Thus the frame will be OK for legality but perhaps not so for performance!

There is a guy that shows up occasionally from out of town on some Motorcross 125 with an RX125 engine, it's pretty good as it's deceptively light, I've already said that but reading comprehension seems pretty sparse in this thread.