I dont think they run the full ring....Originally Posted by avgas
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I dont think they run the full ring....
Hardcore Biker
No I very much doubt that one suspension brand is 1.5 seconds faster than another. But if one gave you better feel than the other then the added confidence could allow you to push harder and gain 1.5 seconds.
That reminds me of all the 'marketing lines' you gave me when I was testing your top secret protwin emulators - Something along the lines of "you'll be in the 12s for sure!"
Daniel Kempthorne - R6 #36
K-Tech Suspension | Metzeler Tyres | Maxima Oils
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Thankyou for publicly belying a confidence and of course you never committed long term to realise the lap time potential. ( The emulators are legal according to the rules ) Nor were you on PAYING contract, do you relaise it costs somebody somewhere for bikes to go round race tracks in circles?No I very much doubt that one suspension brand is 1.5 seconds faster than another. But if one gave you better feel than the other then the added confidence could allow you to push harder and gain 1.5 seconds.
That reminds me of all the 'marketing lines' you gave me when I was testing your top secret protwin emulators - Something along the lines of "you'll be in the 12s for sure!"
I am heartened that for the benefit of Suzuki 21 ( Steve Sangster ) you realise that 1 and a half seconds would only be attainable if the first suspension setup was particularly bad. Craig concurs with that. Were we to believe Steves line of thinking Jaden would have been doing mid 5s at Manfield on Sunday. He did something like a 7.5 or 6 on worn tyres. So about half a second or maybe a touch more with new boots, another one and a half with ''the second coming of Christ'' ( or so we are led to believe ) YEAH RIGHT....
World Supersport 600 is a real indicator, visibly present are Ohlins. K-Tech, BiTubo and works Showa. Maybe a couple of other players. On any given day the setup with any given rider will significantly help to determine the end result. BiTubo was on the winning R6 last year and they actually werent that happy with it ( I know the engine tuner ) Currently Sofoglu has a 10 point lead and he is on the Swedish stuff. Last night the K-Tech guys were nowhere. Its all swings and roundabouts VERY dependent on quality of backup service.
Cant state it any fairer than that.................
Glen Williams
I agree that finding that perfect "window of set up" - is actually never achievable, as your last fastest ever lap is instantly the target to beat. Good suspension, tyres, geometry, mental approach, engine managment, engine performance are only the tip of the ice-berg in respect to what it takes for everythimng to be close to "just right" & in balance with each other. (not an easy feat)
Personally i believe having two obviously world class products available will keep the market honest and the inuendo and shit-slinging that comes with that at the track adds a bit of spice to our sport!
IMO , RT & KD both have their strengths and both have their weaknesses, - Its up to the rider to decide which methodoligy gives them the most confidence, - I see riders asking these guys to be like personal psychologists a lot of the time (they are not psychologists)I for one get on with both if them and enjoy (in different ways) their company, - I doubt that either of them would disagree about testing all sorts of oposing ideas in the off season to chase the gods of speed is a good idea, and if Craig "Jells" with the style of the product no-one would blame him for giving it a go (even RT i am sure).
Hardcore Biker
Come on Glen, get off the fence and join us in the mud. It's fun!
Daniel Kempthorne - R6 #36
K-Tech Suspension | Metzeler Tyres | Maxima Oils
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Thats a very fair and balanced post Glenn, subjective and non emotive
I have no problem with the K-Tech product itself and and say it again its a GOOD PRODUCT. John Ross purchased his off a reputable and respected company and fiddles with it himself as he likes doing that sort of thing. I get on well with John , as I do with near all of my competitors as they play ethically. In fact I have very recently forwarded dyno test data to John of some K-Tech stuff we recently had to sort for a customer.
That customer like me has no time for people that he has to deal with that tell brazen lies and have done so much in their life theyd have to be at least 200 years old. Like I said before where is the line between telling to anyone that will listen huge fantasies and also lying?
One thing we noticed with the K-Tech product is that when you do a setting change its a process that takes a LOT more time than with the Ohlins stuff. This because of the very buried nature of the main shim stacks in the cartridges, requiring fork removal and cartridge removal. With the rear shock the combination of a top out spring and a bladder means that correct bladder shape at full extension is something you have to be extra attentive to. Removal of the main valving stack assembly involves a more lengthy bleed process which ideally requires a vacuum bleeder. The ability to be able to change settings very quickly is a very important consideration, unless each and every rider wants to pay to have a suspension tuner on their right arm?
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When you actually dig further and analyse this what has happened in the UK is that K-Tech have bought their way into that market. They have prostituted themselves on price with such ridiculously slender margins it just doesnt make commercial sense. Its clear that this same mentality is happening here. Pricing must be fair and reasonable for any product but not such that it makes commercial survival of the seller tenuous. Nor should there be dutch auctions.7 out of top 10 BSB bikes are on it this season and most the top 600s in bsb, Dan Staufer says the Agent is one of the best he has ever worked with as does Gareth Jones as I have spoken in depth with them both this week so I will take there word before you sorry drew
As I understand it the current BSB Superbike championship is held by a rider who used Ohlins.
I think riders such as Nick Cole may have a quite different perspective, do you not recall the very public debacle such as occured at Timaru last year? Disinterest, laziness and arrogance spring to mind as factors why they had a torrid time with bike setup that season.
Forum whore
Are you the very same Daniel Kempthorne that was decrying the cost of racing in this very forum several months back?
Now that you have a well heeled benefactor that will doubtless pick up the tab on a lot of your racing will you continue with that same line of thinking and elaborate in print?
Hardcore Biker
the fun in games
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No games Wayne, you also witnessed the shameful debacle at Timaru and doubtless that reinforced your similiar lack of respect for the perpetrator of Nicks majorly bad bike setup issues. Realistically anyone should be put off for life.
Glen Williams
HaHa, mud wrestling in full leathers ?, not quite kinky enough for me........... :-)
If had to be totally honest, - I suspect that one brand may be suited to some tracks than the other & vice-versa......., So to have your cake and eat it and assuming the someone had the time and $ to ascertain the best set up of each brand at each track (I:E enough testing time pre-season at every nationals track + 4 sets of forks / shocks) then Best you retire from your day job - and get on with being a professional motorcycle racer!
Dreams are free Dan ! ........ I wish that was my life too !.................But alas i must earn actual money to keep the wife in the comfortable lifestyle she has become used to (XFR Jaguars included........)
Experience has taught that being a fence sitter requires balance.......however once you fall to one side, your commitment will be final. (for that season at least)
Buttered Chicken
Bro, you are just like Yoda (and I don't just mean your ears). I haven't worked out who is Luke and Darth Vader between Kerry and Robert yet, but I'm pretty sure Spyda is Chewbacca. Dan is probably pretty enough to be Princess Leia, but I'd need to see some photo's of him in a gold bikini and wig first.High definition please.
Don't read this.....
Ahhh now I know why you didn't want me in your pit garage in Taupo a few years back..............too many clothesbut I'd need to see some photo's of him in a gold bikini and wig first.
sem fiddy pilot
Look, mate.... there are other places that you could go on about your fetish for tights. Just sayin'....Ahhh now I know why you didn't want me in your pit garage in Taupo a few years back..............too many clothes
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Bro, a little bird has told me your fence is supercharged now
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