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why not call it what it is. Its a MNZ fee. Not a licence. And $200/yr is not way out there. thats half a rear tyre for a 600/1000. there are plenty of other costs way above that.
of course.. I say this now Im not racing.. had I been racing this year I would be ARRRGGGHHH $200!!!!!!!!
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Think back to when you got into racing, if you had to go through some sort of training programme and had to prove without doubt you had the goods, would it have bothered you?Originally Posted by CHOPPA
''To get my motorcycling australia licence I had to do a test over the phone was asked several questions from the rule book''
Similar to a scratch and win...(but in this case there is no doubting your talent on the track)
It's my understanding that is not just a case of paying some money to get a race licence here in NZ, dont you have to part of an affiliated club for a length of time?
one placenta
...join a club, buy a licence, go racing...is all thats required...we have a good grasp of who's experienced enough for this class or that class and make sure that the rider in question is playing in the right class that suits OUR sensibilities, not their expectations... if this means putting a less experienced rider on a 'modern' in with pre 89's or even 82's, then thats what happens...but thats difficult when we run a bigger meeting with riders coming from outside the club or from further afield...as far as someone getting a start at a street meeting without having done three lower track meetings...that is purely down to the steward not doing his job at sign on...and with day licences now mooted to be available for street meetings, its going to make it harder to police...we do not let a rider near Methven Street Race if they have proven to be a twat at other meetings, simple...it doesn't seem to be such an issue with young riders as much as someone who may have a bit of road experience thinking they can turn up and show us how good they think they are because wifey has said they can go racing now that the kids are grown up or somesuch reason...
Forum whore
you have to be a member of a club, not for any time, jsut a member, and i am not aware of any club that requires a test for entry
Forum whore
Classic vintage KB stuff right there!
Bored Room
I'm in two bike clubs and I sent off the $ and got a race licence. It was mainly for Bucket Racing but I run a 40 year old classic in the NZMCRR ...and the fields are small. The first couple of times were a bit nerve wracking.
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lol. Don't need no stinkin MNZ licence to race VMX ya know Sonny!!!
Forum whore
Well technically I had to... When I was 8 I had to have the local club president watch me for a day to observe I was eligible to get my 'full' licence so I could race the nationals. He had to then write a letter to the NZACU on my behalf. When I started road racing VMCC wouldnt let me enter the F2 class at my first race meeting and made me race in clubmens.
Well it was a pretty simple over the phone test but unless you had read the rule book you wouldnt have known the answers. At the moment you pay for your licence then read the rules...
Scooter boy
I can only go on my experience when I started in England in early 90's ( and it's tightened upsince then.)
You started off as a novice (orange jacket) complete 10 races at 3 different tracks to get clubmans licence. Next step finish in top 50% at 10 races at 4 different tracks to get National licence then another requirement to get International.
Not sure what they do now but I know there is a basic classroom coarse/test to actually get your licence to start with.
Forum whore
To easy? Yup. But I don't think any quiz type test is the complete answer. Just as important is observing machine prep, attitude, minimum speed type stuff. An observed track day would be a good step.
Forum whore
I remember the "dayglo derek" novice jacket ...... it was a system that worked well. It allowed all involved to easily pick out the novices among 40 screamin 2 strokes.... the riders knew who they were and the marshalls etc could also watch them just that little bit closer.
Also showed who was a "talant" cos if you could get up the front in a orange vest... safely..then you were definately one to keep an eye on.
Dont think we could do the 10 races / 3 tracks here as many only ever race one track (so would have to have vest on forever)
We use the mentor / training system with the youngsters and that seems to be working. Definately the "im fast on the road" people that cause problems. The huge abundance of track days throughout Europe have enabled so many to experience the track in a non race situation (although for many its still a race) and gain valuable track time when the main objective of officials is rider improvement / safety.
This has also brought big increases in race licence holders too.
But cant see track days getting much bigger here.... simply not enough participants.
I agree that licensing should be regulated............................. dont know how............
KB Chief Cat Herder
Best way to test somebody that I can think of is to test safety aspects on track, ie flags.
At a designated track day (which everyone applying must attend one of) get a rider who is applying for their licence on track, put a couple of other bikes near him and stick a flag out to see how he reacts (the other riders know it's a test and ignore the flag). He sees the flag and obeys he passes. He doesn't see it he's given a warning and then gets again later. If he ignores the flag he gets told to push off and come back in 6 months.
Zen wisdom: No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously. - obviously had KB in mind when he came up with that gem
Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity
one placenta
...at the end of the day, we have what we have right now and it's up to clubs, officials to keep an eye on who's loose or dangerous...our regular flaggies are so much in tune with what is going on that we hear about nutters, not often, .... we keep a list of kamikazes and crashalots...I still remember my first street race...had to fuck up a lot to learn...we are lucky to have a nurturing ethos toward younger entrants to the sport down here...a few people can be thanked for that, P.J being one of the biggies...and our kids get a big start in the craft real early...there's always gonna be a cannon though...maybe it's just policing of the rules of safety and knowledge of whats expected of them should be a part of the induction, race etiquette(tui) is a big one...
Scooter boy
Stuff it, I'm going back to trackdays or will they let me move back and carve up clubmans with a day license again. After this weekend I put on a bazzaz quickshifter, traction control unit and an Ohline shock and my wife wont let me race again. Ride or sex??? Man I'm gona miss sex.
Ta
Bullshit! More than half the guys out there have never LOOKED at the rules.
I'll wager $10 that less than 20% of riders are actually coherant in the rules, and less than 50% of the helpers at the track.
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