Electric race bikes?

[GSVR]

you got back fast on your gas burning bike gsvr

GSVR is out back wrapped in plastic. Luckily the logon is automatic so i can assume the online identity of this one of whom you speak.

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Well you don't often see technology developed on bikes being sold to car makers but I see an announcement yesterday that MotoCzycz has secured a 27 million dollar contract to supply drive units.

http://www.sustainablebusinessoregon...czysz-for.html

Stay tuned to the IOMTT in around 10 days time when one of the greatest showdowns in motorcycle development going to take place.

Team Talkup

[manxkiwi]

There's a DVD out called Charge. It's included in extras of Closer to the Edge and available on its own.

One comment one of the racers said made me take note: He said because you don't have all that noise and vibration going on, you can really feel and hear what the bike and tyres are doing. He said he felt much more in touch with the chassis and tyres than on a normal engined bike.

It's probably something you would never think about unless you experienced it yourself, or heard about it, as in the DVD. Quite interesting I thought.

[bogan]

There's a DVD out called Charge. It's included in extras of Closer to the Edge and available on its own.

One comment one of the racers said made me take note: He said because you don't have all that noise and vibration going on, you can really feel and hear what the bike and tyres are doing. He said he felt much more in touch with the chassis and tyres than on a normal engined bike.

It's probably something you would never think about unless you experienced it yourself, or heard about it, as in the DVD. Quite interesting I thought.

Website says its not available in NZ Looks well worth a watch though.

[Dave-]

I AM defending electric motorcycles here - It is only a matter of time - the trickiest thing is the batteries - but with all the battery powered devices in use now they are improving at a tremendous rate.
Who can remember the first cell phones ? The first one I saw in commercial use (ironically by a cabling contractor) had a battery only slightly smaller than a car battery. It looked like a WWII field radio !!
All the major auto manufacturers now have electric cars in their plans, some even have them for sale

I wouldn't mind one of these to commute on

http://www.treehugger.com/cars/maviz...-on-linux.html

No it's impossible, stop defending EV now.

There isn't enough lithium to go around, unless you start smashing all sorts of conservation laws.

Unless we start mining asteroids!

But seriously we'll run out of lithium first.

Hydrogen > Lithium.

[manxkiwi]

Website says its not available in NZ Looks well worth a watch though.

You can get it from Duke on their website, free worldwide delivery. But you may as well get the Closer to the edge DVD, it has the full feature in the extras. I see it's going for $16 or $18 now in JB. Stupidly cheap for a great DVD.

[bogan]

You can get it from Duke on their website, free worldwide delivery. But you may as well get the Closer to the edge DVD, it has the full feature in the extras. I see it's going for $16 or $18 now in JB. Stupidly cheap for a great DVD.

JB = jb high-fi? Their website says 50 bucks, would def be a goer if it was under 20!

[GSVR]

There's a DVD out called Charge. It's included in extras of Closer to the Edge and available on its own.

Cool seen the trailers and wanted to see the whole thing.


Like the bit in the trailer where the guy says something like:
"People come to see hard men racing hard bikes not this battery scrap!"

[GSVR]

No it's impossible, stop defending EV now.

There isn't enough lithium to go around, unless you start smashing all sorts of conservation laws.

Unless we start mining asteroids!

But seriously we'll run out of lithium first.

Hydrogen > Lithium.

What about Sodium? Isn't that whats salts made of and theres a lot of that around right?


Seriously I think the biggest worry is China has all the rare earths to make decent magnets and they sound like they want to control the export. Kinda like the middle east with oil until the west sorted them out!

[crazy man]

This is the TT it is recognised through out the world , people have come to see hard men race hard motor bikes not piss about on battery powered scrap!!

[manxkiwi]

JB = jb high-fi? Their website says 50 bucks, would def be a goer if it was under 20!

Yeah man. Last months catalogue had it at $18. Go into a store and see what price is on it. Ask for a company discount too. You'd be surprised, sometimes gets you a good discount! It's 16 pounds from Duke, but deff. under $20 recently at JB.

[Dave-]

What about Sodium? Isn't that whats salts made of and theres a lot of that around right?


Seriously I think the biggest worry is China has all the rare earths to make decent magnets and they sound like they want to control the export. Kinda like the middle east with oil until the west sorted them out!

Salt is Sodium Chloride, NaCl, Salt doesnt explode when you put it in water...

also sodium based batterys operate at about 320 deg cel, which is hardly practical, might as well boil water and use a steam engine!

I love how the west sorted out the east, I love paying over $2 a litre....

I also did some other maths last night, 4 million registeres cars on NZ roads, most E-cars are 30kwh and last about 200km, which means we'd need 120GWh of power every 200kms, Tiwai point uses 610MW at peak, which is 15% of New Zealands total power which ought to be about 4GW, so we'd need 30x more power than we have to power our cars for 200km, and turn nothing else on. haha this becomes more and more retarded the more I think about it.

I wonder how much lithium we'd need for 4 million cars, and whether that amount even exists.

I have no idea what rare earth magnets have to do with EV's (aside from the motor) but whatever dude, yeah go ahead and build an E-bike, more petrol for me.

[GSVR]

Salt is Sodium Chloride, NaCl, Salt doesnt explode when you put it in water...

The reason for mentioning Sodium is there plenty of it and the process of extracting pure Sodium (element) for Sodium Chloride (compound) is not difficult. But you'd already know this...

Theres a huge company in the US working to solve the Sodium battery issues and have made remarkable headway.

Potassium chemistry has some advantages over lithium so its only time till the batteries of whatever chemistry get to be more the adequate.


Not going to even bother replying to the rest as every post of yours seems like your agitated and have some axe to grind on the subject of electric vehicles.

Shit back it the seventies the oil was running out but forty years down the road...

Capitalism is all about getting the best bottom line no matter what your selling.

[bogan]

Salt is Sodium Chloride, NaCl, Salt doesnt explode when you put it in water...

also sodium based batterys operate at about 320 deg cel, which is hardly practical, might as well boil water and use a steam engine!

I love how the west sorted out the east, I love paying over $2 a litre....

I also did some other maths last night, 4 million registeres cars on NZ roads, most E-cars are 30kwh and last about 200km, which means we'd need 120GWh of power every 200kms, Tiwai point uses 610MW at peak, which is 15% of New Zealands total power which ought to be about 4GW, so we'd need 30x more power than we have to power our cars for 200km, and turn nothing else on. haha this becomes more and more retarded the more I think about it.

I wonder how much lithium we'd need for 4 million cars, and whether that amount even exists.

I have no idea what rare earth magnets have to do with EV's (aside from the motor) but whatever dude, yeah go ahead and build an E-bike, more petrol for me.

Well apparently the average distance is 15,000km per year; or 41km per day, which would be around 6kwh. Which is a 250W average over 24hrs, but its even better because they can charge faster during the night, which is better for the grid. Dunno about you, but I currently have electronics plugged in using more than 250W.
To scale up, 250W x 4 million cars is 1GW, so we only need to increase our power production by 25% to remove our dependence on oil for transport. Hell, we could just import the cheapest shittiest oil for about 20% the cost, then burn it in a turbine power plant and charge up all the electrics!

[crazy man]

Not going to even bother replying to the rest as every post of yours seems like your agitated and have some axe to grind on the subject of electric vehicles.

but you did say this lmao (Electric race bikes?
We don't like them because they don't make noise, are too slow and are no fun to ride.

The batteries go flat and take forever to charge up.

They cost way to much and no real motorcycle manufacturers are even considering making them.

[Dave-]

Well apparently the average distance is 15,000km per year; or 41km per day, which would be around 6kwh. Which is a 250W average over 24hrs, but its even better because they can charge faster during the night, which is better for the grid. Dunno about you, but I currently have electronics plugged in using more than 250W.
To scale up, 250W x 4 million cars is 1GW, so we only need to increase our power production by 25% to remove our dependence on oil for transport. Hell, we could just import the cheapest shittiest oil for about 20% the cost, then burn it in a turbine power plant and charge up all the electrics!

bit impractical though dont you think?