Paying child support

[Duke girl]

What I would like to know is how do I find out if my daughter leaves school or gets a job before she turns 19 where then I would no longer being paying child support. How would IRD ever find this out if they are not contacted and made aware of it by the parent claiming child support.

[Jonno.]

They wouldn't.

[jane doe]

They wouldn't.

we have the same issue with my husband's daughter living in another country. He has never met her and doesn't even know if she's still alive. We will pay until she is 19 regardless of whether she is working, on a benefit, married or deceased. I know for a fact that the country in which she lives only offers 4 years of secondary school but who am I to interfere. IRD won't accept changes to custodial parents living circumstances unless they come from the custodial parent. They are forever in favour of the custodial parent. This witch has already told my husband several years ago ( last point of contact) that she will make him pay for not being involved with his daughter ( a bit hard when she was born in and lives in another country . Yes, I know what you are all thinking, how can she can collect child support? a WHOLE other story......). There is no way in hell she will tell IRD her daughter is no longer eligible for child support. No way in hell!!!

[rickstv]

Is the law about to change regarding child support payments? I heard that the custodial parent's income will be taken into account when calculating child support, and that IRD will collect the payment from the non custodial parent in all cases.
Rick.

[Howie]

Is the law about to change regarding child support payments? I heard that the custodial parent's income will be taken into account when calculating child support, and that IRD will collect the payment from the non custodial parent in all cases.
Rick.

There is a Child support amendment Bill before parliment at the moment. It can be down loaded Here , or as a PDF file Here (1.2MB). A article in the Herald about it is Here

You can make a submission about this Bill untill June 20th 2012 as mentioned Here

[rickstv]

There is a Child support amendment Bill before parliment at the moment. It can be down loaded Here , or as a PDF file Here (1.2MB). A article in the Herald about it is Here

You can make a submission about this Bill untill June 20th 2012 as mentioned Here

Thanks Howie, I am in the position of earning much less than my ex. the money I pay hurts a lot , whereas the ex could still live well without without it, and she is in the family home too.

[Akzle]

fucken protest it. if you like court, then apply to court to have it reduced.
if the ex pisses and moans, go for a 50% custody or "care order" or whatever they're pumping out now, then payment = 0.
if you can agree with the ex to have a 50% on paper and only have the kids when it suits you (or 50% if that DOES suit you) then no pay...

been there done that.
my name is not on my kids berth certificates, which helps. but there is a parenting order from court.. i pay nothing to the ex. sic.

[ellipsis]

...not sure about the 1/2 custody getting things equal...I was granted 1/2 custody of my son...still had to pay, even though she was working and I was struggling to pay for my partners, now wifes kids and our own childs upbringing ....unfair=yeah, but it didn't go away until he was of age...dangers of life and living in the society we have...

...try fighting the machine...it's a tough uphill, going nowhere battle...I felt less fucked with than some I knew who were being screwed right royally by vindictive ex's and the govt depts...

...I met blokes parting out with up to 70% of their meagre wages to appease the law and only have 2 hours visiting rights a fortnight...

[Winston001]

we have the same issue with my husband's daughter living in another country. He has never met her and doesn't even know if she's still alive. We will pay until she is 19 regardless of whether she is working, on a benefit, married or deceased.

This witch has already told my husband several years ago ( last point of contact) that she will make him pay for not being involved with his daughter ( a bit hard when she was born in and lives in another country)...

I'm not being unkind but your husband has a child who must have been concieved - which takes two people. He's a parent and responsible for his daughter regardless of where she is living.

Isn't he interested in her? Curious? Has he never tried to visit her, phone calls, send letters, cards, birthday presents? This is his own child and she deserves to know who her dad is.

[The Lone Rider]

My issue is why should I have to pay child support when I will never get to see when I want to nor spend time with the child who I am paying child support for because of the miles between us. Not fair.

Family court, not IRD.


And DPB has nothing to do with whether the paying parent has to pay or not.


As for the others.. you need shared care. That means averaging around 3 overnight stays a week. While IRD say they can take in special circumstances, IRD will do a lot of nothing and mainly hold to "YOU MUST HAVE CHILD 3 NIGHTS A WEEK" for it to be considered shared care. Once you have shared care and can prove it, you can claim child support from the other parent. A court order issued by the Ministry of Justice is not considered proof, only supporting evidence. And you will still have to pay your child support even if it's found to be a shared care arrangement.

Also bare in mind IRD does not consider clothing, food, entertainment, and a few other things, to be an expense to claim an exception that you are paying more than your share + child support. That is in their Shared Care pamphlet.

Most of this will actually be covered in the Oct 2012 issue, out later this year (July will have something on criminal & police records).

[nadroj]

Does anyone know if any changes are to be made regarding proof of fatherhood, as currently the mother can stonewall DNA testing of the child if she has something to hide?

[Winston001]

Does anyone know if any changes are to be made regarding proof of fatherhood, as currently the mother can stonewall DNA testing of the child if she has something to hide?

No change that I'm aware of. The police only recently gained the power to take DNA without consent and only for imprison-able offences.

The Family Court cannot compel a mother and certainly not a little baby to give a DNA sample. However, the Judge is empowered to draw a critical conclusion when a mother refuses.

[The Lone Rider]

Does anyone know if any changes are to be made regarding proof of fatherhood, as currently the mother can stonewall DNA testing of the child if she has something to hide?

Uh... you can get an evidential DNA test that can be used in court by simply having a couple of strands of hair of the child. Or spit. Or chewing gum.

So unless you never see your child, and can't get the child long enough to have the samples taken by a GP who agrees to sign off on the documents, then you wouldn't be able to get an evidential DNA test.

You can do a non-evidential DNA test for piece of mind. And all you need is a couple of hairs you can collect yourself.

[nadroj]

Uh... you can get an evidential DNA test that can be used in court by simply having a couple of strands of hair of the child. Or spit. Or chewing gum.

So unless you never see your child, and can't get the child long enough to have the samples taken by a GP who agrees to sign off on the documents, then you wouldn't be able to get an evidential DNA test.

You can do a non-evidential DNA test for piece of mind. And all you need is a couple of hairs you can collect yourself.

DNA testing labs will not accept a sample without the legal guardians authorization as without it it is inadmissible in the courts.
It is compulsory for a male to supply a DNA sample if the mother requests a paternity test, however a mother can decline to give permission for a child to provide a DNA sample if a male disputes paternity.
It becomes more complex if his name is on the birth certificate and has spent more than 2 years in the relationship after the birth.
In other words the mother can have anyone father a child, and lumber the sucker she lived with, with the ongoing financial burden of child support until the child is 18/19.

[The Lone Rider]

If you are named as the father, you are most likely a legal guardian and have as much legal rights as the mother.

If you are a legal guardian, you don't need the mothers signature unless you are including a sample from the mother.