Headlight or no (daytime) shouldn't make any difference. Otherwise, I agree.
And what difference have they made? As far as I can tell people are still getting killed by drunk drivers.
To quote the late MJ: "If You Wanna Make The World A Better Place Take A Look At Yourself, And Then Make A Change".
I get sick of people harping on about how "it's not our fault".
Fact 1: These motorised missiles are controlled (and I use the term loosely) by humans.
Fact 2: Humans are fallible. HiVis can't change this. Headlight on can't change this. Enforced education can't change this.
Hence fact 3: Every driver/rider is responsible for themselves.
and fact 4: The only thing we have control over is our own attitude.
Don't expect anyone else to look out for you. It just ain't gonna happen.
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I think the best way to wake motorists up is to make it horrifically clear just how narrow and pointy the front of a motorcycle is, and just how far it will come through their drivers' door in a collision.
If they think a freight train is fair game to take to take on at level crossings, then we are doomed!
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I'll take whatever I can get that I think will increase my chances of survival:
I'm lucky my M50 is coloured Candy Orange Max, very visible
I wear a yellow HiViz jacket
I wear a white helmet
I ride with my headlights on high beam during daylight (and in 28 months of riding, I've had only one car ever flash their lights at me). I reckion that if my headlights annoy car drivers then they have at least seen me.
I'd wear Barby pink from head to toe if I thought it'd increase my chances of survival
I agree with Katman, we are responsible for our own safety. In fact that is why I wear a HIViz. It is not infallable, and does not replace the need for eternal vigilance, it's just an add on which I hope increases my visibility. I had a lady driver pull out of a daycare centre right across my path, but I was aware of my surroundings, I saw the front of her car come out and I went through my options, I braked and pulled up about a metre from her driver's door. She never saw me because she wasn't even looking in my direction. But I'll still wear a HiViz in case some car driver is looking my way and it highlights me as a potential hazard.
If the road to hell is paved with good intentions; and a man is judged by his deeds and his actions, why say it's the thought that counts? -GrayWolf
LMFAO, I hate being right, in instances like this. Yup this 'research' is already 'skewed' as they were out to PROVE the effectiveness of Hi vis, rather than ASK if it is effective. There's no research into how visible it is with a headlight on from a distance.... This is going to end up in MotoNZ/ACC/TPTB's hands... get ready for a "French style' piece of legislation....
Just one other interesting point, just WHO were these' KEY Informants'?? NOw THAT could be an interesting list to review....
If the road to hell is paved with good intentions; and a man is judged by his deeds and his actions, why say it's the thought that counts? -GrayWolf
Time to put you money where your mouth is & invest in pink then, cause guess what? people ARE more likely to notice you in "barby pink" I suggest you get a tutu too with that complete outfit I'd be surprised if anyone didn't see you
Oh & FYI riding round with lights on high beam increases the chance of car drivers thinking about swerving for you or slamming on the brakes. FACT!
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Gave them an email...
I got the report forwarded to me. While I hope it is a nice report and gets you decent marks at university; due to one major assumption you have made, it is of no relevance to the real world. In the past I've reviewed the literature with the aim of establishing if high vis is effective; whereas you start from the position that it must be. In fact, if i recall correctly there was no option to indicate we don't wear it because we don't consider it effective? That omission alone skews the results to the point of irrelevance.
Unfortunately it is not a magic bullet fix, there are a number of factors working against it. High vis is most often seen on stationary people, cops, road workers etc, so drivers might subconsciously assume a bike isn't moving due to the high vis, and pull out. There's also threat perception, high vis bikers are not perceived threatening, so drivers don't care enough to look closely, misjudge the speed and pull out anyway. There's a few others but I can't recall them at the moment.
The best the studies show so far is a correlation (and some don't even show this), but I would suggest it is the cautious riders that are more likely to wear high vis, ie., those already less likely to have accidents.
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Riding to work on SH 20 from Dominion Road end past the Hillsborough on ramp.....I hate this bit as the Hillborough on rampees are chomping at the bit to get in the outside lane at the same time the outside lane 100kmph plus drivers in their nice safe boxes are getting across to the Onehunga off ramp.......I'm holding my centre lane........
I try to be either in front or behind cars in other lanes but on the section its three lanes all at different speeds...
This morning a car along side me indicated and pulled into my lane..as the Onehunga off ramps fills up and stops the left lane thats when the cars make their move.....I ride this section with my finger on the horn so indicated my displeasure at his actions...he kept on moving though still had not seen me...he flashed his hazard lights as much as to say " Oh biker Sahiab I did not be seeing you be seeing "...
I had the headlight on and a viz jacket... but good old gut feeling saved the day....
Safety gear may help but don't rely on others seeing it.
That's interesting. I've not seen any information on that fact, where did you get the information you've quoted? How many motorists were interviewed, what were the questions put to them, what were the percentages of drivers who would swerve at a motorbike who had its headlights on high beam, and what percentage would slam on their brakes?
Oh, I get it! This was just an assumption, there is no scientific or statistical basis for your claim. You've just made that up. It sounded very authentic though.
Are there any other riders who ride with their headlights on high beam, during the day that is? Have any of you had cars swerve at you or slam on their brakes? The only reaction I've had in 28 months was that one car which flashed its lights at me, and I don't know if they were annoyed or thought I'd left them on high by mistake and were indicating that I had my lights on high beam.
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