Maori "Get Off Their Arse"

[mashman]

And if they care so much about belonging to the land why do they keep selling it off if they get it back?
And why if they care so much about iwi does the payouts that they get from the crown never trickle down to the people?

Because some of them do business like whitey? probably due to a diluting of their gene pool.

[SMOKEU]

Damn white supremacists on here who think there was some inherent right to colonisation are simply products of colonisation myths. That we somehow helped Maori by colonising, that we had an inherent/divine right to colonise due simply to technological or supposed moral advancement. That we were being benevolent by even giving them the option of a Treaty when we had a supposed right to simply exterminate them.

They would still be running around with spears killing and eating one another in their primitive, stone age society if it wasn't for cheeky whitey who came along. The whites were the ones who came along and gave them everything they needed to become a civilized race. If they don't like it then they can fuck off into the bush and live like they have in pre colonial times. It seems that every one of them embraces modern society, so it can't be that bad.

They were the ones who hunted the moa to extinction, and they continue to abuse the land and sea by selling fishing rights to foreign vessels who overfish the waters. They don't give a fuck about the land anywhere near as much as they say they do. The tribes are nothing more than a bunch of lazy, incompetent fools who want everything handed to them on a plate, and they are the first to cry "racist" when they don't get what they want.

I have met some good Maoris who have nothing to do with that racist tribal bullshit, and those Maoris work hard to live in our society, and I have a lot of respect for them who choose to do so.

[mashman]

They would still be running around with spears killing and eating one another in their primitive, stone age society if it wasn't for cheeky whitey who came along. The whites were the ones who came along and gave them everything they needed to become a civilized race. If they don't like it then they can fuck off into the bush and live like they have in pre colonial times. It seems that every one of them embraces modern society, so it can't be that bad.

They were the ones who hunted the moa to extinction, and they continue to abuse the land and sea by selling fishing rights to foreign vessels who overfish the waters. They don't give a fuck about the land anywhere near as much as they say they do. The tribes are nothing more than a bunch of lazy, incompetent fools who want everything handed to them on a plate, and they are the first to cry "racist" when they don't get what they want.

I have met some good Maoris who have nothing to do with that racist tribal bullshit, and those Maoris work hard to live in our society, and I have a lot of respect for them who choose to do so.

but they're black? Does the same hold for the Asian tribes? Or the white supremacist tribes? Or the motorcycle tribes? The govt sells rights to oil exploration and drilling and mining that leaves a huge mess everywhere. Big picture fucko, Yes, that's it Mr Anderson, look past the flesh.

[BoristheBiter]

Because some of them do business like whitey? probably due to a diluting of their gene pool.

What the ones that work hard for what they have or the ones that steal?

[SMOKEU]

but they're black? Does the same hold for the Asian tribes? Or the white supremacist tribes? Or the motorcycle tribes? The govt sells rights to oil exploration and drilling and mining that leaves a huge mess everywhere. Big picture fucko, Yes, that's it Mr Anderson, look past the flesh.

What white supremacist tribes, and what motorcycle tribes? I don't know exactly what you're trying to say.

[mashman]

What the ones that work hard for what they have or the ones that steal?

There's a difference?

What white supremacist tribes, and what motorcycle tribes? I don't know exactly what you're trying to say.

Nothing at all. Go back to sleep sweet prince

[BoristheBiter]

There's a difference?



Nothing at all. Go back to sleep sweet prince

you're not even trying today.

[Asher]

What a pile of PC, soft cock, bollocks.

The problem is the two copies of the treaty have different meanings and as we are under crown law the Maori interpretation can fuck right off.

The Maori had no written language when the English arrived so there was going to be some mistakes made when a copy was given to them.

Actually the Maori version should be the only one considered, in most countries bounding agreements in the native language override the English versions.
Laws these days when mentioning the Treaty refer to its 'intent' and not exactly what is written.

[Asher]

They would still be running around with spears killing and eating one another in their primitive, stone age society if it wasn't for cheeky whitey who came along. The whites were the ones who came along and gave them everything they needed to become a civilized race. If they don't like it then they can fuck off into the bush and live like they have in pre colonial times. It seems that every one of them embraces modern society, so it can't be that bad.

Remember that big police raid in the Urewera's?

They were the ones who hunted the moa to extinction, and they continue to abuse the land and sea by selling fishing rights to foreign vessels who overfish the waters. They don't give a fuck about the land anywhere near as much as they say they do. The tribes are nothing more than a bunch of lazy, incompetent fools who want everything handed to them on a plate, and they are the first to cry "racist" when they don't get what they want.

Sound alot like every other race in NZ

[Ocean1]

Do those who make products manufacture every single component themselves? That rules out 99.99999999999% of the so called self made men then?

In my case, mostly yes. Most producers are smarter, they use any number of labour units to make shit.

[BoristheBiter]

Actually the Maori version should be the only one considered, in most countries bounding agreements in the native language override the English versions.
Laws these days when mentioning the Treaty refer to its 'intent' and not exactly what is written.

Except where English is the first language.

The treaty's intent was for the crown to govern over all, plain and simple the land issue is a whole other disagreement.

And it all happened a very long time ago so when will it end?
When all of the land is given back to Maori? we know that will never happen.
What about the wrong Maori have done? should we now start taking the land back because of that as it breaks there side of the treaty? after all whats good for the goose.

[fuknK1W1]

Why do I get the feeling that this thread is going to end up in PD?

Are we there yet

[SMOKEU]

Are we there yet

With a bit of my input it almost certainly will be.

[Nova.]

Everyone secretly knows I'm right, but won't admit it.

[superman]

What a pile of PC, soft cock, bollocks.

The problem is the two copies of the treaty have different meanings and as we are under crown law the Maori interpretation can fuck right off.

The Maori had no written language when the English arrived so there was going to be some mistakes made when a copy was given to them.

And if they care so much about belonging to the land why do they keep selling it off if they get it back?
And why if they care so much about iwi does the payouts that they get from the crown never trickle down to the people?

At the time of the signing of the treaty Pakeha numbers had barely grown after 50 years of being in this country. Why would Maori willingly sign over sovereignty to Europeans when they could have easily wiped out all Pakeha settlements if they had wished in 1840. It would be noted that the Declaration of Independence in 1835 had very translational issues and missionaries who had learned Maori for over 30 years were used in the translation process. While it ended up being a miscommunication, the inherent right thereafter would go to the Maori.

Why are we under Crown law? Because the British claimed the North Island by cession before many of the tribes had even signed the Maoris version, and claimed the South Island by discovery due to the inhabitants being uncivilised. This was a false claim to make in the first place, especially since the majority of the tribes did not sign the English version but the Maori version, which gave the Crown a right to governorship but left power over land and 'all things treasured' to Maori.