848s in Supersport? A submission from Joe (Very) Average

[scracha]

Think R model Stevie, with the short stroke, Ti rods, hotter cams etc, dry slipper clutch music, monster Leo Vince full system, big airbox etc etc Can't say I've got a clue what to do with it but at my age any erection is a good erection!

I'd sacrifice 8 ponies to have my old prettier 748r any day (more torque too). I'll tell you exactly what to do with it. Give up racing it...unless you're fast. Wobble about on a 6 hundy and you get encouragement and can sometimes hang out with the cool kids and scab their used tyres for next to fark all. Wobble about on a spaghetti bike and you get abuse from flabby old geezers telling you you ride like a girl, don't DESERVE to ride that bike, etc etc. Far more enjoyable pootling around the Coro, blatting the Termi's when passing young ladies and giving you a chance to explain the merits of a dry clutch to anyone stupid enough to ask "there's something rattling in your engine" prior to sipping your frappuccino contemplating the spectacularly uncomfortable ride to the next cafe 15km up the road

[slowpoke]

I'd sacrifice 8 ponies to have my old prettier 748r any day (more torque too). I'll tell you exactly what to do with it. Give up racing it...unless you're fast. Wobble about on a 6 hundy and you get encouragement and can sometimes hang out with the cool kids and scab their used tyres for next to fark all. Wobble about on a spaghetti bike and you get abuse from flabby old geezers telling you you ride like a girl, don't DESERVE to ride that bike, etc etc. Far more enjoyable pootling around the Coro, blatting the Termi's when passing young ladies and giving you a chance to explain the merits of a dry clutch to anyone stupid enough to ask "there's something rattling in your engine" prior to sipping your frappuccino contemplating the spectacularly uncomfortable ride to the next cafe 15km up the road

Frappa-farkin'-what? You smarmy bloody know it all Yooropeeans......(goes off to ask Mr Google what the fuck a frappadappa-thingo is....)

Poofy coffee! Ya cheeky coont! What's wrong with International Roast? If you want poofy you can have it outta one of those cute lil' sachets, ok? What do you think this is a Day Spa?

6 hundy 6 schmundy, your a boring ol' bugger for a bloke who drinks something I can't even say...........

[Dreama]

I'd sacrifice 8 ponies to have my old prettier 748r any day (more torque too). I'll tell you exactly what to do with it. Give up racing it...unless you're fast. Wobble about on a 6 hundy and you get encouragement and can sometimes hang out with the cool kids and scab their used tyres for next to fark all. Wobble about on a spaghetti bike and you get abuse from flabby old geezers telling you you ride like a girl, don't DESERVE to ride that bike, etc etc. Far more enjoyable pootling around the Coro, blatting the Termi's when passing young ladies and giving you a chance to explain the merits of a dry clutch to anyone stupid enough to ask "there's something rattling in your engine" prior to sipping your frappuccino contemplating the spectacularly uncomfortable ride to the next cafe 15km up the road

Ha, if only. Nuf said, not even worth responding. But .... imo ..
I built the 749R in question and having also built up my 996 Corse style racers c/w bling I can tell you without a blink that the 749R in race trim, with all the fruit, is way more horny looking and infinitly more comfortable than the 748/996s. And I've had ALOT of hours working on, just looking at and drooling over both versions, as you do.

And the crap about 140hp from a 749/848 ..... only serious serious $ can reap you those figures and by then the hand grenade scenario is omnipresent.
125hp is achievable relatively easily, after that think big $.

Like Choppa said, it's a middle weight sport bike class, not a 600cc class. The 848 is a middle weight sport bike .... why even bother comparing it to a 600 il4 engine. Mechanically and engineering wise they are black and white, meaning yes, that il4's are intrinsically mechanically superior cc verses cc.
The 848cc twin is probably comparable to a 600cc il4 performance wise, it's simple mechanics.

[discodan]

Thanks Dan. Hard to tell what your hp range is referring to when read in isolation but don't forget the DSB class was originally created with twins ranging from 848's to Aprilia RSV1000R to Buell 1125R. I reckon you'll find the Ape and Duc at one end of that hp range and the Buell at the other. The weight limit was/is across the board for twins yet targetting the Buells, hence the 848 are struggling now and not many folks run them.

Nah, the engine rules are even more restrictive than our supersport rules. No cams, no porting, no after market rods or pistons, no crank lightening, can't even replace valve springs, cotters or retainers. Basically you can bump up compression through skimming respective gasket surfaces/skinny gaskets, change or slot the cam sprockets, and change the inlet trumpets. Throw on a zorst, add a PC and that's about it for makin' mumbo. Go here for the full run down (half way down): http://www.amaproracing.com/assets/A...1-Rulebook.pdf

I'm all for keeping manufacturers in the sport but they have to realise it is a competition. No manufacturer should be allowed to assume a postion where they are allowed to dictate the terms of that competiton. That is for people far less biased and with a "big picture" view of the sport of motorcycle road racing in NZ, not selling an individual brand/model of bike. I'll be pretty disappointed if any manufacturer has so little faith in their bikes/riders that they are not willing to test them against all comers.

OK, so realistically they should be similar power to the 600s. I took that power range from the AMA website and read it as 'even the slowest bikes are as quick as our fastest bikes' but maybe it is only the Buells are at the upper end.

The only reason I would suggest that a manufacturer might get annoyed by allowing the 848 in is that the rules are being changed for that bike and not that they have just produced a better bike that fits in the current rules.

I guess we will find out when a top rider gets on one if the change goes ahead.

[Drew]

GSXR-750 is a middle weight, and WAAA, I want a class to run it competitively in!

The crowd with the coin to buy an 848 could also start making the B.E.A.rs club run events regularly again. Club cup!

I understand where Spud is coming from, but people can buy any bike they like, why is it the rest of the paddocks problem to fit them into the program somewhere?

[Tony.OK]

Who say's Kiwi's don't get sarcasm?


Frankencane is work in progress. She's allowed to be ugly. It's not like I've spent thousa....oh....fuck. Anyway...the new fairing and paint Billy made just jinxed her.

Ahhh buggar ya.....................ya always sound the bloody same to me mate, never sure if you're happy , sad or whingin haha. Scot accent I put it down too

GSXR-750 is a middle weight, and WAAA, I want a class to run it competitively in!

The crowd with the coin to buy an 848 could also start making the B.E.A.rs club run events regularly again. Club cup!

I understand where Spud is coming from, but people can buy any bike they like, why is it the rest of the paddocks problem to fit them into the program somewhere?

Oh c'mon Drew.....................we all know the you just want "everyone to like your face"

[scracha]

Poofy coffee! Ya cheeky coont! What's wrong with International Roast? If you want poofy you can have it outta one of those cute lil' sachets, ok? What do you think this is a Day Spa?

You're calling this Scotsman a poof but you'd prefer an International Roast eh? :SMIRK.

6 hundy 6 schmundy, your a boring ol' bugger for a bloke who drinks something I can't even say...........

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I drink a lot of things you can't even spell

that the 749R in race trim, with all the fruit, is way more horny looking and infinitly more comfortable than the 748/996s. And I've had ALOT of hours working on, just looking at and drooling over both versions, as you do.

Comfortable? Go out and buy an ST4 then. You don't buy a 74X for comfort.

As for looks...just look at resale value of the 748/916/996/998 etc compared to the 749/999.

[sidecar bob]

What difference will it make ten years from now? Have some fun, remember fun, thats why most of us ride bikes isint it?? Let them run the Ducati's. Christ knows, 600's wont get any less interesting than they already are for the inclusion of a different coloured bike.

[slowpoke]

Ha, if only. Nuf said, not even worth responding. But .... imo ..
I built the 749R in question and having also built up my 996 Corse style racers c/w bling I can tell you without a blink that the 749R in race trim, with all the fruit, is way more horny looking and infinitly more comfortable than the 748/996s. And I've had ALOT of hours working on, just looking at and drooling over both versions, as you do.

And the crap about 140hp from a 749/848 ..... only serious serious $ can reap you those figures and by then the hand grenade scenario is omnipresent.
125hp is achievable relatively easily, after that think big $.

Like Choppa said, it's a middle weight sport bike class, not a 600cc class. The 848 is a middle weight sport bike .... why even bother comparing it to a 600 il4 engine. Mechanically and engineering wise they are black and white, meaning yes, that il4's are intrinsically mechanically superior cc verses cc.
The 848cc twin is probably comparable to a 600cc il4 performance wise, it's simple mechanics.

Ed, in the interest of keeping your work load under control (and your 996 project moving forward) I've been trying to keep you out of it, otherwise everyone will want one! Every poor bastard who rocks up at my place (think the meter reader, bloke from Nebulite coming to quote on a skylight etc etc) gets to hear it whether they like it or not: any excuse to fire it up, haha. The founder of Leo Vince should have been at the top of the Queen's Birthday honours list.

Here's a sample of Ed's work while it was in progress....mightn't be everyones cup of tea but it's sex on a stick as far as I'm concerned:

[koba]

Given the complete apathy that the licence holders show when it comes time to vote for President or the Board why would they vote for a rule change...

People that care, vote. People that dont care, dont vote.

Secondly its a lot closer to home when the rules get changed for the class you race in. Most people obviously couldnt give a shit who is on the Board or who is the President. (i voted)

I've only read the first page at this point so don't shoot me if I've missed something but I feel compelled to disagree with these statements. I willfully abstained from the last MNZ vote because I knew I didn't fully understand the ramifications of my vote.
I think ignorant or ill-considered voting is worse than abstinence.

[CHOPPA]

I've only read the first page at this point so don't shoot me if I've missed something but I feel compelled to disagree with these statements. I willfully abstained from the last MNZ vote because I knew I didn't fully understand the ramifications of my vote.
I think ignorant or ill-considered voting is worse than abstinence.

I would put you in the dont care category because if your really cared you would look into the ramifications and make an informed decision

[slowpoke]

GSXR-750 is a middle weight, and WAAA, I want a class to run it competitively in!

The crowd with the coin to buy an 848 could also start making the B.E.A.rs club run events regularly again. Club cup!

I understand where Spud is coming from, but people can buy any bike they like, why is it the rest of the paddocks problem to fit them into the program somewhere?

How is it a problem for the rest of the paddock? What do they do except turn up and race as normal? It's only "a problem" for the MNZRRC who have to try and sift through all the info and decide on what's best for the sport.

I know what you mean with the whole "I want it so I should get it" "me me me" type arguments (what can I say I shoulda had more discipline as a kid) but the counter is that some variation in the Supersport class would be a good thing for the sport in general, not just a few individual's. A new manufacturer involved would be a good thing. As you mention, incentive (more numbers) to run more BEAR's meetings up North would be a good thing. More bikes on the Supersport grid would be a good thing. More interest from spectators/sponsors would be a good thing. Etc etc. Hopefully the pro's and con's speak for themselves.

Oh yeah, is this a good time to mention that I think you're a particularly handsome individual?

[slowpoke]

What difference will it make ten years from now? Have some fun, remember fun, thats why most of us ride bikes isint it?? Let them run the Ducati's. Christ knows, 600's wont get any less interesting than they already are for the inclusion of a different coloured bike.

Nail....hammer....WACK!

[Drew]

How is it a problem for the rest of the paddock? What do they do except turn up and race as normal? It's only "a problem" for the MNZRRC who have to try and sift through all the info and decide on what's best for the sport.

I know what you mean with the whole "I want it so I should get it" "me me me" type arguments (what can I say I shoulda had more discipline as a kid) but the counter is that some variation in the Supersport class would be a good thing for the sport in general, not just a few individual's. A new manufacturer involved would be a good thing. As you mention, incentive (more numbers) to run more BEAR's meetings up North would be a good thing. More bikes on the Supersport grid would be a good thing. More interest from spectators/sponsors would be a good thing. Etc etc. Hopefully the pro's and con's speak for themselves.

Oh yeah, is this a good time to mention that I think you're a particularly handsome individual?

I don't really mind if they run with supersport, I don't think anyone seriously contesting a national championship will run one, the price of Ducati is stupidly prohibitive to do anything with.

Ed, is that one of Spud's a hybrid of my old one and another?

[Billy]

Okay,

So I said I wasn't going to post in this forum other than in the sticky thread above,But its locked and I can't get into it so will have too reply here.

850 TWINS IN SUPERSPORT

After much research and a serious amount of discussion between myself and the applicant,Other members,The board and Distributors,I have made the decision and advised the board that I would prefer this rulechange was not ratified for 2013,BUT that we discuss it further with ALL concerned with the suggestion it be introduced for 2014 if we can,The biggest factor in this for me is that I would like too see a change to the class for 2014 and if my proposed changes were to happen,I'm not sure how the Ducati 848 would fit in,I personally wouldn't want to see any member spend their hard earned cash on a machine to find they could only race it at National level for 1 year.

ROADRACE NUMBERS

It would appear there has been a severe abuse of this system with people applying for numbers for classes they simply do not have the machinery or budget too run and more than likely never will,It came to light a month or so ago when a current NZ champion moving up to the Superbike class for 2014 was informed there were NO double digit numbers available for the class,On further investigation it appears we have in excess of 150 superbikes in the country ?????Wonder where they all are come Nationals!These official numbers are for National level riders ONLY and are restricted from now on for those applying for a National licence from this year on,I have spoken to the girls at the MNZ office and the numbers list that applied up until this date has been deleted barring the following,Numbers 1-10 have been retained as per last years results and the following 2 numbers have been withdrawn for the foreseeable future as a mark of respect to Cameron Jones and Mark Brehaut,Both 67 and 26 will be unavailable for BOTH the Superstock 600 and Supersport classes,IF you are applying for a National licence for 2013,You will have to reapply for your number,Preference will be given to the holder of these numbers from 2012 and will apply to double digit numbers ONLY,Those applications for a number for more than 1 class will be sent by the office to me for consideration before being confirmed.

As always if you have any queries or complaints you can contact me at the details listed in the sticky thread at the top of the page.