848s in Supersport? A submission from Joe (Very) Average

[jasonu]

Shhh, dont let anyone onto the fact that Sv650's are 1.45 x larger than 450cc 4's............

and 1.625 times larger than a 400cc 2 stroke twin...

[worm13]

Shhh, dont let anyone onto the fact that Sv650's are 1.45 x larger than 450cc 4's............

didnt think this was the thread to bring that bad boy out lol, its a hard call would be nice to see some new flavour there but can this lead to what has become of F3 of late, cant beat em join em type case, track performance vs on paper performance I belive a worlds apart, could there be more benefits from the twin on our smaller race tracks then vs what USA have etc etc, also if some people belive they wont win whats the point of changing the current rules for a bike that will still get waxed?

[Mental Trousers]

Thats an interesting conundrum Koba and I do empahise, however I'm not sure I would go as far as saying not voting is a valid outcome/decision to make. I realize there are the odd exception to the rule but I truely believe we are all wired with a 'gutt feeling' about many issues and often we are the ones to cloud our own minds when in fact the choice we "should" make is, and always was, pretty obvoius.

I think you are always able to make a voting decision based on a 'gutt' feeling combined with some investigation on your own part. You don't have to be fully understanding of every detail, or indeed 100% agree with either choice of what you are voting on, rather a understanding of the issue, with an action towards the best outcome in your opinion.

With regards to the 848's I am a little disappointed they are not going to be allowed as I think it would have been pretty cool racing against them and good for the class overall.

Not voting is a perfectly valid choice as long as it's an informed one. When there's a Yes/No option often the best choice for the voter isn't covered. A gut feeling that neither option is suitable means you'd be voting for the least crap option if you did vote.

Consciously choosing not to vote when you've researched the options isn't the same as being a useless, apathetic wanker like most.

[Biggles08]

Not voting is a perfectly valid choice as long as it's an informed one. When there's a Yes/No option often the best choice for the voter isn't covered. A gut feeling that neither option is suitable means you'd be voting for the least crap option if you did vote.

Exactly my point. if it is a black or white outcome regardless of if you vote or not...surely the least crap option is the one you would rather no matter how un-ideal it is. You won't get any argument from me if you said that the whole democratic process is far from close to being perfect, yet it is the only one we have, and for it to work people need to vote...for it to work best, more people need to vote.

Consciously choosing not to vote when you've researched the options isn't the same as being a useless, apathetic wanker like most.

I do not disagree with this.

[Mental Trousers]

Exactly my point. if it is a black or white outcome regardless of if you vote or not...surely the least crap option is the one you would rather no matter how un-ideal it is. You won't get any argument from me if you said that the whole democratic process is far from close to being perfect, yet it is the only one we have, and for it to work people need to vote...for it to work best, more people need to vote.

At times neither is the least crap of the 3 crap options.

[slowpoke]

Yeah, I noticed the tank. Not many came here with the long range tank...And it's matt black.

Did you scrap the frame? It would have made a good home for an ER6 motor, but prolly still a bit porky.

Dunno 'bout the frame being porky, so much as the Duc engine. Admittedly it's only one cylinder wide from the front but as in the pic I posted viewed from side on she's a farkin' big unit (what can I say, I like a few curves). It wouldn't be cheap but here's an interesting idea: http://motowheels.com/i-8424627-moto...ucati-649.html Ed's just the man to get it done too.

As for Sidecar Bobs comment saying it's not a front running 600cc rider who is against this; YES IT IS.

Fear makes people do strange things....they fair crapped themselves at the thought of Sidecar Bob rolling out the mighty R80 Beemer.

[jellywrestler]

a 'gutt' feeling

I once had one of these when I was shagging a chick, turned out she'd had her Uterus surgically removed!

[slowpoke]

I once had one of these when I was shagging a chick, turned out she'd had her Uterus surgically removed!

Bling for the worst joke I've heard this year!

[Drew]

Dunno 'bout the frame being porky, so much as the Duc engine. Admittedly it's only one cylinder wide from the front but as in the pic I posted viewed from side on she's a farkin' big unit (what can I say, I like a few curves). It wouldn't be cheap but here's an interesting idea: http://motowheels.com/i-8424627-moto...ucati-649.html Ed's just the man to get it done too.

The air box is the only bit that goes between the frame spars under the tank. Give it a measure, could be feasable, and it'd be a better starting point than what Chappy is building.

[sidecar bob]

When you are a racer, it is fair to assume that all others that are racing also share the same goal as you do.
This is often not the case.
When you are a class leader, the primary goal for you, is winning races & points above all.
What about the people that are mid to late pack & will never win a race, their motivation is completely different, socal, fun, passion for a certain brand, or testing their abilites to build a bike largely from scratch & having somewhere to test their engineering skills.
Sidecar racing is full of that type of individual & actually winning is not a priority for them at all.
I would suggest to any top contender that is concerned about the inclusion of Ducati's in their class, that the Duke rider is clearly not competing for the same reasons you are, or they would be riding a 600.
Be thankful they have chosen a slow money pit to race, because if you block them from doing that, god knows how much faster they will go if they go the 600 route instead.

[jellywrestler]

Did they amend the rules to allow one manufacturer though?

At times yes

[Drew]

At times yes

Then I don't agree with the changes.

This particular change though, is in the interest of VERY few. Since we live in New Zealand, I guess it will go through. Right or wrong.

[Biggles08]

Then I don't agree with the changes.

This particular change though, is in the interest of VERY few. Since we live in New Zealand, I guess it will go through. Right or wrong.

Not this year it appears Drew.

[Cleve]

Then I don't agree with the changes.

This particular change though, is in the interest of VERY few. Since we live in New Zealand, I guess it will go through. Right or wrong.

In the possible interest of very few - but - in possible detriment to no one. Isn't that the better way to consider it.

[Drew]

In the possible interest of very few - but - in possible detriment to no one. Isn't that the better way to consider it.

Possible demerit to no one. Hmmm, why doesn't that sound better? Oh yeah, because the guys who are doing it right, within the rules as they stand, might get shafted for a few people with more money and less talent!