Price negotiation

[ktm84mxc]

most shops work on a floor plan by which the importer supplys the new stock with financing through there own company eg YMF for Yamahas others use a third party what this means the shops are loaned the capital to carry the stock with a interest free period of 60-90 days after which you pay interest on the moneys. In real terms once outside the interest free period your profits are being eaten away each month by the interest charges . the same applys to car yards most hold stock for only 60 days then its time to get rid off them.
most shops run on a skeleton crew with the added costs of opening Sundays just not there, there's always the net that never closes and most large shops have a internet aspect to there retail business.

[Robert Taylor]

I know someone has to, but why you'd buy a brand new bike is beyond me. You'll always be the biggest loser of $$$$$

As far as all this extended warranty crap goes with regard to electrical goods, yet another con. I had a Bosch induction cook top throw its toys out of the cot a couple of years ago. It was out of it's 2-3 year warranty and the shop wasn't going to play ball. When I told them I don't expect something that cost (at the time) $3000 to fail after 2-3 years and quoted the Consumer Guarantees Act, they came to the party, I just paid for the labour which was bugger all.

I had a woman from an aluminium window company quote $2500 for a set of bi-folding windows. When I told her no thanks she said "Ok if I drop it to $1800 will you you sign up now?" So she was going to make money on $1800 and thought she'd throw in an extra $700 for good measure? Yeah right! I ended up getting wooden french doors from another bunch of assholes, but that's for another day....

Of course someone has to buy them new to create secondhand..................

Also how many companies are going to the wall because they actually arent making enough profit to cover very real overheads. Think about it.

[Scotty595]

Paid 6k for my old ninja privately, then lowsided it out kawakawa bay (crash knobs saved most), traded it in - got 5k trade in with no chain (chain flew off randomly ) and needing service. They advertised for $7995 a week later after service and chain.

Personally, I don't mind trading price for convenience.

[mossy1200]

Paid 6k for my old ninja privately, then lowsided it out kawakawa bay (crash knobs saved most), traded it in - got 5k trade in with no chain (chain flew off randomly ) and needing service. They advertised for $7995 a week later after service and chain.

Personally, I don't mind trading price for convenience.

8k less 5k trade less 500 spent to get ready less sales wage and costs less discount for a offer around 7k =1500-2k profit if it sells fast sounds a fair margin to be in the sales and service game. If the shop cant turn profit it closes the doors.

Realistic trade in figure and your happy.

[p.dath]

I know someone has to, but why you'd buy a brand new bike is beyond me. You'll always be the biggest loser of $$$$$

I've never owned brand new - but I would love to. I just can't afford it.

Everytime I have bought a second-hand bike and I've been servicing it I always seem to find minor things wrong. Bolts missing. Things not quite done right. Nothing major, but I hate when I start to do a job and it ends with a list of other things that needs to be taken care of. It makes me feel like I've not quite finished.

A new bike comes with a nice new warranty. There is a good chance parts will be readily available. It will have all new fluids. The shocks and tyres will be in perfect condition. There won't be any scratches on it. Everything will be mint.

Oh so many reasons to get a brand new bike, if the money allowed.

[5150]

A new bike comes with a nice new warranty. There is a good chance parts will be readily available. It will have all new fluids. The shocks and tyres will be in perfect condition. There won't be any scratches on it. Everything will be mint.

Not if you are this guy

[Muppet]

I've never owned brand new - but I would love to. I just can't afford it.

Everytime I have bought a second-hand bike and I've been servicing it I always seem to find minor things wrong. Bolts missing. Things not quite done right. Nothing major, but I hate when I start to do a job and it ends with a list of other things that needs to be taken care of. It makes me feel like I've not quite finished.

A new bike comes with a nice new warranty. There is a good chance parts will be readily available. It will have all new fluids. The shocks and tyres will be in perfect condition. There won't be any scratches on it. Everything will be mint.

Oh so many reasons to get a brand new bike, if the money allowed.

I hear ya. But you've got to take the bike to the dealer for servicing for the length of the warranty and of course they'll charge like wounded bulls. My father bought a new Nissan 4 x 4 and some of the things included in the servicing was shit that didn't need doing like rubbing a wax stick on the door joints, that cost between $20 and $30! My personal favourite was "Environmental costs" which was PC speak for dumping the oil. And they charge $150 and hour labour! JOKE.

[Muppet]

Of course someone has to buy them new to create secondhand..................

Also how many companies are going to the wall because they actually arent making enough profit to cover very real overheads. Think about it.

Yes that's why I said at the beginning of the post "I know someone has to..." because I know someone has to! It's just not going to be me, think about that. As I've mentioned in another thread, in 2003 I bought a 2 year old mint 2001 R1 with 10-12000 km on the clock for $12,000. At the time they were $24,000 new.

[Road kill]

Only ever bought one bike from a shop,,asked for an got a new helmet free.
Most bikes I've bought second hand I got for less than the asking price.
A couple were after I'd given the guy my phone number an said "ring me if you change your mind.
I've often dropped price on things I've sold myself,,when I've liked the buyer.
But I've also told a couple of people to bugger off when they've done the walk around pointing out little dings an such thing,that's just stupid an if they wanted spotless they should of been in a shop buying new.
Haggling for me goes both ways but neither party should be dicks about it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Of course someone has to buy them new to create secondhand..................

Also how many companies are going to the wall because they actually arent making enough profit to cover very real overheads. Think about it.

I have been: the old adage of how to make a small fortune in the motorcycle trade (start with a large one) seems increasingly apt.

[FROSTY:Me]

consider that most stores have ~100% markup (profit margin), and can generally afford to go a lot lower than you'd think. but you wont know until you ask.

UTTER RUBBISH-what bike shop or car dealership have you been employed at in a senior role is the last 5 years or so?
100% --so a $15k bike cost the dealership on the floor 7.5k did it?

[Akzle]

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UTTER RUBBISH-what bike shop or car dealership have you been employed at in a senior role is the last 5 years or so?
100% --so a $15k bike cost the dealership on the floor 7.5k did it?

you need to read a bit further through the thread. that question has been answered.

"at in a senior role is the last 5 years or so?".... you should also do a "does it make sense" check before charging off on your pretentious high horse.

[Bassmatt]

anything you can pay cash for should be 15% straight off, especially if they're offering "finance"

Those days are well and truly gone, IME. I have been told several times in various types of shops that the sticker price is the "cash" price. I think some shops even have "cash price" printed on the sticker.
Its a bit sad that the best path to profit lies in creating debt (through finance). It works out best for us all in the long run tho, right?...

[Robert Taylor]

Those days are well and truly gone, IME. I have been told several times in various types of shops that the sticker price is the "cash" price. I think some shops even have "cash price" printed on the sticker.
Its a bit sad that the best path to profit lies in creating debt (through finance). It works out best for us all in the long run tho, right?...

What would be best in the long run is a return to sensible and sustainable margins for big ticket items, that in turn will allow more realistic wage rates. Plus a rejection of dutch auction mentality.

[Robert Taylor]

you need to read a bit further through the thread. that question has been answered.

"at in a senior role is the last 5 years or so?".... you should also do a "does it make sense" check before charging off on your pretentious high horse.

Frosty had every right to challenge your naive assertions and you cannot justify your indignance at him doing so in citing that posts that immediately followed yours clarified how abysmal margins actually are. Too much is based on emotive assumptions, and if people make such ridiculous assertions they have to in turn be prepared to take the heat, in this case condemnation from a person in the motor trade who actually knows what its all about.
I remember well a farmer telling me one day that he ''screwed down a machinery company to the nth degree on a cowshed installation, and that the salesman went away virtually crying''. This miserable penny pinching prick was laughing about it and I gave him a frosty response. To the effect ''can I go into a dairy and negotiate a better price on the milk that he supplies?" Hypocrite.
All businesses have the right to make a fair and reasonable profit and to pay their staff well.