Welfare reform bill passes into law

[Virago]

... but what jobs are these people gonna do? The jobs that others won't take because of shite pay?... What a bunch of fuckin selfish misguided savages we've become...

Lol - I saw the news article earlier and was wondering when you would start bleating.

The real "fuckin selfish misguided savages" are those who believe that they are entitled to make a career out of sponging off the rest of society.

If they don't want to work because of "shite pay", they can fuck off and die.

...And shit pay?
If it's $1 an hour more than the dole 'hourly rate' they're better off...

Bingo.

Twenty years ago (after an illness), I spent a couple of months on a benefit. I had a young family to support, it was a tough time. When I got a job (at $9.00 an hour - about $14.30 in today's money), I found I was $20 a week better off than on the sickness benefit. Rather than bleat that I was "working for $20 a week", I saw the extra food I could put on the table for my kids, and worked my way through the lean times.

[Brian d marge]

how bout them oldies ,,,,burning through that money

Watch the pennies and save the dollars by all means , but this is vote rigging thats all

Stephen

[Winston001]

how bout them oldies ,,,,burning through that money

Watch the pennies and save the dollars by all means , but this is vote rigging thats all

Stephen

New Zealand was the first country in the world to introduce an old age pension - in 1898.

Now you are saying that is a bad thing?

[98tls]

Welfare or water?Simple really,fuck all the bullshit simply ask each one "do you want next weeks bludge or water".

[Brian d marge]

New Zealand was the first country in the world to introduce an old age pension - in 1898.

Now you are saying that is a bad thing?

now did I say that? dont think I did.... , I just pointed out where most of the money spent on welfare goes ,

saving a few pennies isnt a bad thing , but if your in the hole by 10 dollars , saving fifty cents isnt going to help much

It vote rigging to try and get the conservative oldie vote ...thats all

Stephen

[FJRider]

now did I say that? dont think I did.... , I just pointed out where most of the money spent on welfare goes ,

Stephen

More likely ... most of your money goes to ACC as "compensation" for "accidently" revealing client details to the wrong people .... (by E. mailing it to them) They really need to stop doing that.

[mashman]

Lol - I saw the news article earlier and was wondering when you would start bleating.

The real "fuckin selfish misguided savages" are those who believe that they are entitled to make a career out of sponging off the rest of society.

If they don't want to work because of "shite pay", they can fuck off and die.

Bingo.

Twenty years ago (after an illness), I spent a couple of months on a benefit. I had a young family to support, it was a tough time. When I got a job (at $9.00 an hour - about $14.30 in today's money), I found I was $20 a week better off than on the sickness benefit. Rather than bleat that I was "working for $20 a week", I saw the extra food I could put on the table for my kids, and worked my way through the lean times.

No they're not. If there aren't enough jobs and people have to be on the dole, leave them be. Simple concept. Yet the fuckin selfish misguided savages at the top of the tree think that these people are the problem. You can't get much more misguided, especially if there aren't enough jobs.

The world was a different place 20 years ago, and the 20 years before that. Measuring people against your own yardstick eh. You ain't the only one who "did it hard". Not all of us use it as the measure of a man. Some of us remember what it was like, how hard it can really get and remember those around us doing exactly the same things. It does more harm than good, but by all means go ahead and perpetuate it, fucking people over because of a minority that won't do what you expect the to.

[Phantom Limb]

Welfare reform has been something that this country has been needing for a long time here.
I fail to comprehend why people given the exact same oportunities as the rest of us are allowed to kick back and do fuckall while we, the blue collar majority pay their sky bills and put food on the table for the 3 kids they decided to have even though they couldn't afford even one!

The whole welfare system is rewarding people that refuse to take responsibility for their own choices.
EG:

-Should I have a shit load of kids?
A: Yes, it's my right to shit out as many kids as I want! The rest of the country should pay for them too.
B: I really should make sure I can afford to feed more mouths before I make that leap.

I know which answer is correct, do you?

Also I'm a bit sick of people harping on about 'those at the top' and 'the top 1%'. It's utter bullshit! This isn't a Simpsons episode, there is no legue of filthy rich buggers pulling the strings here. Dole bludgers are sucking most of their benefit out of the pockets of the working man and woman, those who faced adversity and kicked it's arse to make a life for themselves and their family.

[Paul in NZ]

We humans expect to get everything right first time.

The welfare state is a relatively new thing and it has to fit into an ever changing economic landscape. The current system isnt perfect and its getting changed. It will get changed again and again and again.

The people this is targeting cannot be argued to be in a good position for themselves OR society.

Whats the problem here - its just the latest version of the system, if it doesn't work it will evolve again....

[mashman]

Welfare reform has been something that this country has been needing for a long time here.
I fail to comprehend why people given the exact same oportunities as the rest of us are allowed to kick back and do fuckall while we, the blue collar majority pay their sky bills and put food on the table for the 3 kids they decided to have even though they couldn't afford even one!

The whole welfare system is rewarding people that refuse to take responsibility for their own choices.
EG:

-Should I have a shit load of kids?
A: Yes, it's my right to shit out as many kids as I want! The rest of the country should pay for them too.
B: I really should make sure I can afford to feed more mouths before I make that leap.

I know which answer is correct, do you?

Also I'm a bit sick of people harping on about 'those at the top' and 'the top 1%'. It's utter bullshit! This isn't a Simpsons episode, there is no legue of filthy rich buggers pulling the strings here. Dole bludgers are sucking most of their benefit out of the pockets of the working man and woman, those who faced adversity and kicked it's arse to make a life for themselves and their family.

Are the vast majority of those on the dole career bludgers? No.
Are all people equal? No.
Are there enough well paying jobs for everyone, to the extent where people don't need some form of govt subsidy? No.
Are there blue collar people/family's who structure their financial affairs so that they get access to govt subsidy's as well as a comfortable income? Yes.
Will this policy lower the birth rates of the bludgers who use children as a way to dodge working? No. Most likely quite the opposite.

As for a league of filthy rich buggers: Are the IMF (amongst others) imposing "conditions" on various country's in return for financial assiatance? Yes.

Answer: Get the bludgers ... but please don't let the realities of life get in the way of a good ole Simpsons lunchmob

[mashman]

We humans expect to get everything right first time.

The welfare state is a relatively new thing and it has to fit into an ever changing economic landscape. The current system isnt perfect and its getting changed. It will get changed again and again and again.

The people this is targeting cannot be argued to be in a good position for themselves OR society.

Whats the problem here - its just the latest version of the system, if it doesn't work it will evolve again....

Bollocks. As witnessed by most many of us who work hard and fight to get what we have. A minority do though and they ain't all at the bottom by any means.

Aye, it's being changed with obvious flaws.

To hell with those who get caught in the cross-fire?

Because they are tinkering again... to the extent that could see, yes could, see the tax payer paying more money to keep a person in prison than they would have when they were on the dole.

[MisterD]

No they're not. If there aren't enough jobs and people have to be on the dole, leave them be. Simple concept.

No. If you don't have a job, and my taxes are keeping you, I expect you to treat trying to find a job, as a job in itself. Another simple concept.

Don't whinge to me that you don't have enough money, if there's a Sky dish on your roof and no spuds or silverbeet growing in your garden. Another simple concept.

[Paul in NZ]

Bollocks. As witnessed by most many of us who work hard and fight to get what we have. A minority do though and they ain't all at the bottom by any means.

Aye, it's being changed with obvious flaws.

To hell with those who get caught in the cross-fire?

Because they are tinkering again... to the extent that could see, yes could, see the tax payer paying more money to keep a person in prison than they would have when they were on the dole.

In any change some people will be disadvantaged. Thats not to say the system can't be tweaked if this doesn't work?

Hey this is still a democracy and a free society, if you feel strongly join a political party and do something about it. You can affect change you know. Either that or start a charity and help these disadvantaged people.

Bitching about it on here is a waste of time.

[Phantom Limb]

In any change some people will be disadvantaged. Thats not to say the system can't be tweaked if this doesn't work?

Hey this is still a democracy and a free society, if you feel strongly join a political party and do something about it. You can affect change you know. Either that or start a charity and help these disadvantaged people.

Bitching about it on here is a waste of time.

Fuckin aye!

[mashman]

No. If you don't have a job, and my taxes are keeping you, I expect you to treat trying to find a job, as a job in itself. Another simple concept.

Don't whinge to me that you don't have enough money, if there's a Sky dish on your roof and no spuds or silverbeet growing in your garden. Another simple concept.

I agree with ya. Whilst they're at it remove Sky from prisons too. I don't expect these people to be looking all day every day and I do expect that these people be allowed to have some fun. Either way "expenses" should be provided. Is there a govt grant for wood and soil (yes most of that you can get for free iffen ya put in the hard yards, although there are transport costs etc...)

In any change some people will be disadvantaged. Thats not to say the system can't be tweaked if this doesn't work?

Hey this is still a democracy and a free society, if you feel strongly join a political party and do something about it. You can affect change you know. Either that or start a charity and help these disadvantaged people.

Bitching about it on here is a waste of time.

True... What's the next step? Forced sterilisation? This is a lazy policy, using a hammer to crush the one bad pea inside a bag of peas. They know who the "offenders" are, why aren't they targetting them directly?

I kind of have, sorta, early days.

Not at all. It let's me know what I'm up against. Funny that it's just seen as a bitch and a moan, not too sure who that's a bad reflection on

The sad reality is that we will have a small part of soceity that doesn't want to contribute. We're not dealing with the problem and the people of the country seem to have no need to want to deal with the problem.