2stroke - F3/Superlite bikes coming soon to a track near you

[wobbly]

We are already there - the Evinrude outboards are way more reliable than any of the 4T counterparts, and when they do break it cost 1/10 of the money to fix.
No one can compete with the fire every stroke technology - its simply a matter of applying the now available clever shit computer control to make the use of a 2T a no brainer.
I mean if you can buy a dyno app for an I Phone for Jack Shit, its now obviously easy, supremely easy, to computer control fuel squirting into a hole to make Hp.
Just how the mechanical end of this supreme deal pans out remains a mystery.
Fear not - it will happen.

[gammaguy]

Which manufacturers are working on two stroke paved road machines these days?

and who says that racing cant be purely racing,and roadbikes can do what the hell they like

the 2T is and always will be the king of power to weight ratio which is after all what racing is all about,being the best you can be not sucking the cock of roadbike makers.

It used to be that racing set the standards and trends,now it seems we are meant to be the other way around and look for "relevance"and "being in line with road trends"

crap,I want to see pure racing for racings sake.

To hell with relevance and sensible reasoning,I want to see powerful good handling machines with skilful riders racing to win.If that is a 2T machine,so be it.Who cares if the road guys are or are not riding them.

How many road guys were on NSR500 /RGV500/ YZR500?Was the racing between Rainey/Schwantz/Sheene/Roberts any less exciting because it was not "relevant".I think not

I know many people who happily jumped on their VFR750 and rode home after watching Wayne Gardner win at Philip Island,and they did not give a damn how relevant their bike was to the one Mr Gardner was riding.


Go watch WSBK or Moto GP if you want to follow the road bikes dictating what should be ridden

I want to see racing.

[Robert Taylor]

The issue with production 2T use now is simply who controls the technology.
Evinrude for example make easily the best outboard money can buy.
The big V6 is easily the lightest,fastest,least emmissions, best economy, best reliability engine on the market.
Its direct injection is the Super clever E Tec that allows for stratified charge - the issue is the enormous licencing costs.
Same for the Orbital technology used in other manufactures engines - again they are way more efficient, less polluting etc than any 4T on the planet
but the patent protection costs a fortune.
What is needed now, is a quantum leap sidedways, with some form of new, cheap, innovative direct injection method that can be applied to 500 trillion Asian ring dings.
Once that nut is cracked the avalanche of 2Ts will send the Honda arseholes into recievership, for their short sighted corporate view of technology - and rightly so.

Pretty colourful there Wobbly but you are so right. It shouldnt be underestimated how much power Honda Motor Co wields, or rather shouldnt wield. More than a few times they have threatened to throw their toys out of the cot when someone came along with something more clever or the rules didnt suit them.

[gammaguy]

Soichiro Honda never liked two strokes,Honda only built them because they knew if they didnt they would get left behind in the 70 s 80 s and 90 s.

He would have been the first to jump on the 2T bad 4T good bandwagon that got the move back to 4T going in Moto GP

Ironically it was MV Agusta that tried it in the seventies when Suzuki built a 2T race bike ridden by a certain B.Sheene and started kicking ass.

its funny how things go round in circles.

Honda just wielded their huge political and financial power to the Moto GP owners and told them what they wanted,or else.

They have never got over the NR500,so I guess they will feel they finally got their revenge.

[Rcktfsh]

Soichiro Honda never liked two strokes,Honda only built them because they knew if they didnt they would get left behind in the 70 s 80 s and 90 s.

He would have been the first to jump on the 2T bad 4T good bandwagon that got the move back to 4T going in Moto GP

Ironically it was MV Agusta that tried it in the seventies when Suzuki built a 2T race bike ridden by a certain B.Sheene and started kicking ass.

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Barry was the 2nd 500 world champ on a 2t in 76, Ago won the 75 championship on a Yamaha.

[Skunk]

Well I might just bring my little two smoker out to play, even though its only 250 (....I wish there was still a proddy class for them ))

It's called Superlites or 90's F3 or Posties F3. Pick one. I shall be there one day on my ZXR-RD400 hybrid. Thanks for the ignition system Wobbly.

[gammaguy]

Barry was the 2nd 500 world champ on a 2t in 76, Ago won the 75 championship on a Yamaha.

and i was at silverstone in 1975 when Barry Sheene was on a 2T and Ago was still on a 4T

[Robert Taylor]

and i was at silverstone in 1975 when Barry Sheene was on a 2T and Ago was still on a 4T

I dont recall to the nth degree but didnt Ago join the tuning fork temple around 72 / 73, susequently win a world title with them and then go back to that helicopter company in the very twilight of his career?

( Motorcycle racers are a little bit like criminal lawyers, they will represent those who pay them the most, irrespective of whether they deserve representation or not )

[Rcktfsh]

and i was at silverstone in 1975 when Barry Sheene was on a 2T and Ago was still on a 4T

Ago rode for Yamaha in 74 & 75, winning the 350 title in 74 and 4th in the 500 title, winning the 500 in 75 and 2nd in 350. The YZR 500 OW23 he won the title on was the first 2 stroke 500 title winner.

[codgyoleracer]

We are already there - the Evinrude outboards are way more reliable than any of the 4T counterparts, and when they do break it cost 1/10 of the money to fix.
No one can compete with the fire every stroke technology - its simply a matter of applying the now available clever shit computer control to make the use of a 2T a no brainer.
I mean if you can buy a dyno app for an I Phone for Jack Shit, its now obviously easy, supremely easy, to computer control fuel squirting into a hole to make Hp.
Just how the mechanical end of this supreme deal pans out remains a mystery.
Fear not - it will happen.

So when do you start your supercharged direct injection project wobbly ?, Now that would be C O O L :-)

[merv]

and i was at silverstone in 1975 when Barry Sheene was on a 2T and Ago was still on a 4T

Read Wiki and you'll see your memory about the year must be a bit screwed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Agostini

He was not on the MV in 1975 but he did use the MV again in 1976.

[Robert Taylor]

Read Wiki and you'll see your memory about the year must be a bit screwed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Agostini

He was not on the MV in 1975 but he did use the MV again in 1976.

Heck my alzheimers is not too advanced yet

[merv]

Heck my alzheimers is not too advanced yet

Yeah you're fine, you still seem to remember that Ohlins are the best product on the market .

I thought Ago's win first time out at at the Daytona 200 on the Yamaha was one of his most impressive rides - certainly showed that he could ride 2 strokes - and then to go on and win the 350 and 500 titles proved any critics he had as wrong.

[gammaguy]

I just looked back thru my old photos

It was 1976(sorry about that)

and AGO was on an MV


500cc World Standing 1976
Pos. Rider Bike Nation Points
1 Barry SHEENE Suzuki GBR 72
2 Tevo LANSIVUORI Suzuki FIN 48
3 Pat HENNEN Suzuki USA 46
4 Marco LUCCHINELLI Suzuki ITA 40
5 John NEWBOLD Suzuki GBR 31
6 Philippe COULON Suzuki SWI 28
7 Giacomo AGOSTINI MV Agusta ITA 26
8 Jack FINDLAY Suzuki AUS 25
9 Charlie WILLIAMS Suzuki GBR 24
10 Phil READ Suzuki GBR 22
11 Marcel ANKONE Suzuki NED 21
12 Stuart AVANT Suzuki NZE 2
13 Tom HERRON Yamaha IRL 17
14 Chas MORTIMER Suzuki GBR 16
14 Michel ROUGERIE Suzuki FRA 16
14 Karl AUER Yamaha AUT 16
17 Dieter BRAUN Suzuki GER 15
18 Victor PALOMO Yamaha SPA 13
19 Ian RICHARDS Yamaha GBR 12
19 Johnny CECOTTO Yamaha VEN 12
21 Wil HARTOG Suzuki NED 10
21 Virginio FERRARI Suzuki ITA 10
21 Billie GUTHRIE Yamaha IRL 10
24 Alex GEORGE Hermetite-SuzukiI GBR 9
25 Boet VAN DULMEN Yamaha-Suzuki NED 9
26 Takazumi KATAYAMA Yamaha JPN 8
27 Max WIENER Yamaha AUT 6
27 Roger NICHOLS Yamaha GBR 6
29 Olivier CHEVALLIER Yamaha FRA 5
29 Jonnie EKEROLD Yamaha RSA 5
31 Bernard FAU Yamaha FRA 4
31 Bernd TUNGETHAL Yamaha GER 4
31 Alan NORTH Suzuki RSA 4
34 Gordon PANTALL Yamaha GBR 3
34 Christian ESTROSI Suzuki FRA 3
34 Rob BRON Yamaha NED 3
34 Christian BOURGEOIS Yamaha FRA 3
38 Helmut KASSNER Suzuki GER 3
39 Pekka NURMI Yamaha FIN 2
39 John WEEDEN Yamaha GBR 2
41 Dave POTTER Yamaha GBR 1
41 G. SCHWEMMER Nava GER 1
41 W.A. SMITH Yamaha GBR 1
41 Edmar FERREIRA Yamaha BRA 1
41 Borge W. NIELSEN Yamaha DEN 1