American gun mania

**ducatilover** · 26th July 2012, 23:41

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Then the Philippines should be ahead of America. At only 1600 fewer murders with firearms than America but less than a 1/3 the population they should be well ahead on a per capita basis. And that's only the first one I looked at. The rank on that link means nothing at all without taking into account population. In fact per capita you'll find the rank is completely different.

I know, hence my providing of the numbers and saying I couldn't be bothered doing the math (I have eBay to waste money on instead)

**Akzle** · 26th July 2012, 23:41

Originally Posted by Oscar

I'd like to see you kill 12 people in a Movie Theater with a car...

so would i. that would be hilarious.

Originally Posted by Swoop

As the saying goes... never take a ~~knife~~ machete to a gun~~fight.~~shop

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

sure, you've done a bunch of range shooting, you're tooled up with your Glock or Sig in its concelaed carry harness, and you have the relevant permits.

You've never shot when you had to before. You are shooting in the dark, at someone who is armed with automatic weapons and body armour and a ballistics helmet who WILL SHOOT BACK at you.

Good luck with that.

actually. the number of incidents that have been contained when a would-be victim presented a firearm (let alone actually shot the prick) is significant.
probably not relevant in this case as the guy had clear intent. but, in a theatre of what 50? 100 people? if everyone else is ducking running and carrying on, it wouldn't take tooo much for you to slip your peacemaker (.44 magnum) out, steady it over the back of a seat and put a hollow point in the c*nts eye.

Originally Posted by puddytat

Just imagine if everyone starts to carry a gun.....it'd be like a South Park episode . The postal workers starts his spree....someone else has a gun & starts shooting at Him....3rd person with gun sees 2 people in post office shooting...etc etc.....police rock up & think its a coordinated attack of terrorists....

pistols arnt very accurate at anything anyway, throw in the adrenalin shakes....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhgwy9y5ttA 1:01

**Akzle** · 26th July 2012, 23:44

also.
it was dem whitey that gave everyone guns. and fair perfected the art of killing fellow (or black) men.
there'd be a lot less car-jackings and 'burgs if they still had to chuck spears.

**onearmedbandit** · 26th July 2012, 23:50

Originally Posted by ducatilover

I know, hence my providing of the numbers and saying I couldn't be bothered doing the math (I have eBay to waste money on instead)

Ahh my bad, your 'however' threw me. And I couldn't be arsed doing the maths either, just knew the rough population of the Philippines.

**ducatilover** · 26th July 2012, 23:57

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Ahh my bad, your 'however' threw me. And I couldn't be arsed doing the maths either, just knew the rough population of the Philippines.

My brain must be too switched over to focusing on not buying a set of cams off eBay

**SMOKEU** · 27th July 2012, 07:58

Originally Posted by Oscar

I'd like to see you kill 12 people in a Movie Theater with a car...

They do it in the middle east all the time. It's called a car bomb.

**Tigadee** · 27th July 2012, 08:41

Originally Posted by Akzle

but, in a theatre of what 50? 100 people? if everyone else is ducking running and carrying on, it wouldn't take tooo much for you to slip your peacemaker (.44 magnum) out, steady it over the back of a seat and put a hollow point in the c*nts eye.

There exists a contradiction in there, methinks. When would you ever be able to squeeze off a round when there are people running, screaming, shouting and falling all around you?

And what's to stop others from mistaking you for another gunman and tapping you with their firearm (since you carry one, others might too)? Or you mistaking another fellow vigilante for another malicious gunman and shooting him/her? And how sure you won't accidentally pump a round into some 16 year old who runs in front of you? Or freezes in your way when they see you and the gunman realises what's happening and taps you instead by shooting through another victim?

Best thing to do is what the crim is doing in this case, buy a bulletproof vest/pants/headgear (OK, maybe not the helmet or else look like a dork). As an article said, defensive equipment is not legislated, illegal or monitored. (If you can afford a gun, you can afford a bulletproof vest.)

**HenryDorsetCase** · 27th July 2012, 12:27

Originally Posted by Akzle

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actually. the number of incidents that have been contained when a would-be victim presented a firearm (let alone actually shot the prick) is significant.
probably not relevant in this case as the guy had clear intent. but, in a theatre of what 50? 100 people? if everyone else is ducking running and carrying on, it wouldn't take tooo much for you to slip your peacemaker (.44 magnum) out, steady it over the back of a seat and put a hollow point in the c*nts eye.

Um, it was a first midnight screening of the latest hollywood blockbuster. I would think there would have been between 500 and 800 seats in that theatre, most of them occupado.

The Wild West fantasy thing is bullshit. If you are Joe lunchbox and you are tooled up, you're going to die. Remember the lunatic has automatic weapons, a shotgun, a glock, is wearing full ballistic protection, has teargassed the place and he has a mask and you don't, [edit] and its dark and its full of screaming, running punters.... [edit].

You are going to die. The only way you dont is if you are lucky. Play the odds.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 27th July 2012, 12:29

Originally Posted by ducatilover

My brain must be too switched over to focusing on not buying a set of cams off eBay

at last something sensible to talk about. Tell us about your cams Obi-wan.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 27th July 2012, 12:30

Originally Posted by Akzle

also.
it was dem whitey that gave everyone guns. and fair perfected the art of killing fellow (or black) men.
there'd be a lot less car-jackings and 'burgs if they still had to chuck spears.

Oh dear, you are a silly person.

**Akzle** · 27th July 2012, 15:13

Originally Posted by Tigadee

Best thing to do is what the crim is doing in this case, buy a bulletproof vest/pants/headgear (OK, maybe not the helmet or else look like a dork). As an article said, defensive equipment is not legislated, illegal or monitored. (If you can afford a gun, you can afford a bulletproof vest.)

it's "illegal" in NZ to wear body armour.

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

The Wild West fantasy thing is bullshit. If you are Joe lunchbox and you are tooled up, you're going to die. Remember the lunatic has automatic weapons, a shotgun, a glock, is wearing full ballistic protection, has teargassed the place and he has a mask and you don't, [edit] and its dark and its full of screaming, running punters.... [edit].

the odds would swing wildly in my favour in this situation, were i packing.

it aint no "wild west fantasy" he has, by your reckoning 799 highly agitated and distracting targets, his attention is well divided, the chances he's going to notice the 1 guy quietly lining him (one target) up are almost nil. moreso since it doesn't appear he had any kind of training.
he can only wield two weapons at once, shotguns are generally considered two-handed, cq weapons, i dont know what autos he was carrying, but basically he's only gonna be able to dish out 30 odd round from two pistols, or one clip (say, 30-100 rounds) from the auto (probably also two hands req'd) before a reload. from what i hear about 60 people were injured, which suggests a spray and pray with the auto, then a burst with the pistols.
in that situation he's put himself at a disadvantage by carrying so many weapons.
body armour doesn't protect head/neck shots, nor "incapacitating" shots (shoulders-arms-knees)
hell, 300gr of HP through the femural artery and he's going down in short order, then going to bleed to death.
...even copping a 44 round chestally (with armour) is going to put him on his ass.

**Road kill** · 27th July 2012, 16:58

I don't think It is illegal to wear body armour in NZ,you can buy it at reloaders and I've seen different versions on TM as well.
Maybe your thinking of Aussie where the cops don't like it because it makes it harder for them to kill you if they have you surrounded ten to one and your armed with something scary like a blunt bread knife.

**GTRMAN** · 27th July 2012, 19:39

Originally Posted by Akzle

it's "illegal" in NZ to wear body armour.

the odds would swing wildly in my favour in this situation, were i packing.

it aint no "wild west fantasy" he has, by your reckoning 799 highly agitated and distracting targets, his attention is well divided, the chances he's going to notice the 1 guy quietly lining him (one target) up are almost nil. moreso since it doesn't appear he had any kind of training.
he can only wield two weapons at once, shotguns are generally considered two-handed, cq weapons, i dont know what autos he was carrying, but basically he's only gonna be able to dish out 30 odd round from two pistols, or one clip (say, 30-100 rounds) from the auto (probably also two hands req'd) before a reload. from what i hear about 60 people were injured, which suggests a spray and pray with the auto, then a burst with the pistols.
in that situation he's put himself at a disadvantage by carrying so many weapons.
body armour doesn't protect head/neck shots, nor "incapacitating" shots (shoulders-arms-knees)
hell, 300gr of HP through the femural artery and he's going down in short order, then going to bleed to death.
...even copping a 44 round chestally (with armour) is going to put him on his ass.

Aren't paintball guns your thing Akzle?

Tell me, when you're sitting cross legged on the floor in a pile of your own faeces, masturbating whilst reading guns and ammo, does it ever occur to you that you're just plain crazy?