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    Fuck that, I wanna hear every time the bike races!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckets4Me View Post
    JC's a nice man and so are the rest of them (he also has let an rg150 race there before)
    Yep, exactly, turn up and race it if they let you, good for you .... maybe if you enjoy it you might decide to buy a legal bucket ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pumba View Post
    Mods I personally request that the tread is locked.
    Not sure how you lock a tread. Or is that when you run out of rubber and hit the nylon in the carcass - the tread's now locked? I'd use the word f*cked, rather than locked.

    Or, are you meaning, when you lock up the back wheel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gav View Post
    Yep, exactly, turn up and race it if they let you, good for you .... maybe if you enjoy it you might decide to buy a legal bucket ....
    thats the idear
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Fuck that, I wanna hear every time the bike races!
    They raced, they crashed. getting tempted to see who's keen on helping out with the protest fee to sort this shit out. Do any of these guys flag (serious question, I have no idea). I will no longer go on the track with these people. and I'm being seriously polite.
    I'mat the point I don't care if I put people off, I do anot think carving up someone on a 100 in practice (on practice day) is called for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchee View Post
    They raced, they crashed. getting tempted to see who's keen on helping out with the protest fee to sort this shit out. Do any of these guys flag (serious question, I have no idea). I will no longer go on the track with these people. and I'm being seriously polite.
    I'mat the point I don't care if I put people off, I do anot think carving up someone on a 100 in practice (on practice day) is called for.
    Ok, couple things in here to cover.

    If there is a danger from their presence then I am all for getting rid of it. However, it is more the rider than the bike. It's quite easy to bring a pit bike that isn't illegal after all.

    You do not need help with the fee. It cost's $50 to lodge a protest, and cost $500 if it gets thrown out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Ok, couple things in here to cover.

    If there is a danger from their presence then I am all for getting rid of it. However, it is more the rider than the bike. It's quite easy to bring a pit bike that isn't illegal after all.

    You do not need help with the fee. It cost's $50 to lodge a protest, and cost $500 if it gets thrown out.
    It's cost $50 to lodge a protest and cost the person being convicted $500 to appeal it and even if they win they are out of $500. Don't ask me how I know. So unless you are sure that someone is recklessly rule breaking at a MNZ permitted race meeting be careful as I can assure you that a $500 ping to the pocket can seriously fuck a man off.

    As for the pitbikes and people thinking they are "Race engines" you have to be kidding me. They are based off a old honda motor from the 80's and have two valves for fucks sake. It doesn't matter if the ad says "Race bike". does it mean if I buy one off someone that doesn't advertise them as race bike it is ok? Or if I buy the motor as a Honda CT110 replacement then put it in a pitbike frame it's now legal?

    I have no idea about the people one the bikes in mention and it sounds like they are the problem not the bike. But as for the bike if they are competition motors then FXR150s are fucken motogp engines.


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    Michelle, I presume you are referring to the one I saw out there today? Sorry to hear you had issues. Regardless of the engine part of the argument I was not impressed by the mortard style being adopted on the track. That is of greater concern to me.

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    The pit bike with small wheels and average rubber paired with off road suspension makes them harder to ride fast and crash more! Some of the guys are riding with legs dragging super motard style and when they crash they take other riders with them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sketchy_Racer View Post
    As for the pitbikes and people thinking they are "Race engines" you have to be kidding me. They are based off a old honda motor from the 80's and have two valves for fucks sake. It doesn't matter if the ad says "Race bike". does it mean if I buy one off someone that doesn't advertise them as race bike it is ok? Or if I buy the motor as a Honda CT110 replacement then put it in a pitbike frame it's now legal?
    The "Based off" argument is crap, BMW ran turbo F1 cars "based off" the production 4 cylinder block.

    This is "based off" an old motor from the '50's with only 2 valves per pot.

    Sure, they are extreme examples but they illustrate how different "non-competition' is from 'based off non-competition' or 'non-competition designed' or whatever.

    Not all pitbikes are the same, some have some real fruity shit in them. Many, although not all, are very far from a CT110. Here is an extreme example. (quite cool actually)

    As for the wording of the advertising: Yes, ad wording is irrelevant to its legality for buckets that works both ways and that has been part of the problem. A trader advertising them as "buckets" when they really aren't. (he's changed his ad now).

    I think (Just my opinion) it should come down to common sense, original Honda clone with a few different bits fits the same bill as a Loncin and perfectly reasonable.
    Full Takegawa race engine, no way; it's a competition engine.
    Engine that starts bigger than 150cc and is a 'race motor', no - illegal - but maybe some leeway at a club event?
    Of course there is also the possibility of buying a pitbike designed with a hot motor that's a road bike or whatever, that's probably legal.

    Keep in mind it's important for new people who want to buy bikes to have a chance at making an informed purchasing decision that doesn't see them drop a load of coin on a bike that they don't know is at least contentious.

    Have a good read over this thread, there are some reasonable arguments each way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchee View Post
    They raced, they crashed.... I do not think carving up someone on a 100 in practice (on practice day) is called for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rick 52 View Post
    The pit bike with small wheels and average rubber paired with off road suspension makes them harder to ride fast and crash more! Some of the guys are riding with legs dragging super motard style and when they crash they take other riders with them...
    What I have seen of pit bikes is, they are self eliminating and don't last long, one young hot shoe today at Mt Welly took an ambo ride. Now you can't keep doing that and place well in a race series. Most dickheads dads figure it out eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucketracer View Post
    What I have seen of pit bikes is, they are self eliminating and don't last long, one young hot shoe today at Mt Welly took an ambo ride. Now you can't keep doing that and place well in a race series. Most dickheads dads figure it out eventually.
    Not all the mini riders have dads buying their bikes. Some of them seem old enough to buy their own or maybe buy them for their kids.

    The riders take different lines, hang their feet out in the breeze, crash way more than anyone else. Saturday there were 4 or 6 of them. they tack onto each other, carve up other riders and I will no longer go out on the track with them.

    we had a briefing on Saturday and were told we were doing some transponder testing, so naturally they come out with us, with no transponder. F5 is racing first, so they go to come out on the track (along with some other b grade racers, I admit). they talk about we want to have fun, well, so do the rest of us, and for me, you guys are taking away my fun.

    a few times yesterday you'd see a pit bike on the deck, tangled with a bucket. I've gone from not really caring one way or another to thinking they should disappear.
    #6 FXR100 female pilot - pretty easy to find me at buckets. Saturdays I can be found at sign-on or trackside waving a start finish flag, so I'm not hiding behind my keyboard.
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    We had the same problem a few years ago Michelle.

    A group of your guys turned up with a pit bike, in one afternoon they took out three buckets because of the different riding style.
    They were talked to (told to sort their shit out) and never came back.

    IMO if a pit bike races with buckets it need to race feet on the pegs. If there are enough of them to race in their own class, even better.

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    Are these issues the same as the ones experienced by the other MNZ classes which ended with the motards being excluded from racing with F3 etc, sounds the same , crazy lines , leg out etc. Could these rules be adopted if the problem is big enough.
    When motards are mixed with road racers down here there are rules to prevent them doing the leg out style but I recall there was a handlebar height rule as well to exclude them, not sure if it is still in force
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