Legal advice wanted - Traffic offence

**YellowDog** · 3rd August 2012, 15:39

My front wheel only comes up when I really want it to.

When will you guys learn that you are innocent until proven guity?

I have a mate whom has just changed his guilty plea to not guilty. He was involved in a complex issue with his landlady whom treated him as a son, as her own family are cunts, and has now been charged with fraud and the landladies family are pushing it all of the way.

The advice from the police officer daughter of a colleage was not good (unless he's keen on jail sex). He had no idea that the 1% of the crime he pleaded guilty to would include the other 99% of the unfounded accusation he was not guilty of. The system is always on the lookout for such low hanging fruit (idiots whom plead guilty). He's now completely fucked and as well as most likely going to jail, he will also be bankrupt. He has been stupid and gullible.

Now you've made the stupid mistake yourself, plead guilty, accept your punnishment, and then put it behind you........

**Drew** · 3rd August 2012, 16:57

Careless use is a shit of charge to defend. Because the argument, "the wheel just came up unexpectedly", proves the charge. 'Careless'.

"I did a quick head check and saw a safe spot to merge into, and as I accelerated the road leveled off more than I had allowed for", might get some sympathy. But if the plod find you on here, and start looking into some of the shit you used to get up to, you're fucked mate.

"Yes your honour, I accept that I may have been careless. I have enrolled in a defensive driving course, and a rider training day to ensure it doesn't happen again", is your best bet.

**Road kill** · 3rd August 2012, 17:48

Don't hire a lawyer,that's just money down the tubes.
The judge will more than likely ask if you want one,so say you don't because you can't afford it and your going to plead guilty anyway so there's really no point.
Call him Sir or your honour "every time" you speak to him,and offer "NO PISS WEAK EXCUSES" because he's already heard them all a million times before and not only are they "all" piss weak,their also fucking annoying to listen to.
Don't go looking for sympathy,it just makes it look like your making up stories "see above" would you buy that shit ?
And again,,it's fucking annoying to listen to.
Nothing more than "I'm sorry Sir,I made a mistake".
You should walk with between $200-$400 less in your pocket.
Or you could hire a lawyer and still pay out the same,,,,plus his fee.
Good luck.

**Road kill** · 3rd August 2012, 17:57

Would be nice if you could just delete a post when you double tap the fucker.

**jrandom** · 3rd August 2012, 18:09

This'll learn you to get old and sensible and not do runners, bro. You gotta be prepared to back yourself. Popping a wheelie on an Auckland motorway but then not being prepared to just go when the disco lights inevitably turn on... Revelation 3:16 time.

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

If you're too old and sensible to run, don't pull monos on the motorway.

As it is - best just suck it up and live with a 'careless' on your record, I think.

**Madness** · 3rd August 2012, 18:12

Agree with those that suggested a lawyer is a waste of money for a Careless charge. Dangerous is a different kettle of fish though as it carries a mandatory 6-month minimum disqualification. Get some family members to come to court, that always makes an impression of being an upstanding citizen.

Question for those in the know: Do JP's reside over minor traffic courts here in Auckland or is it a Judge? I'm assuming it'll be a couple of JP's.

**Mom** · 3rd August 2012, 18:15

Originally Posted by hellokitty

Must be a fault with Hornets, as my one does this too

but only when Mr Hellokitty rides it.

No, Bandits also have the same issues, but honestly, I just miss-timed my clutch release while grabbing up a handfull of throttle by accident

**Akzle** · 3rd August 2012, 18:19

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Good on ya Azkle, it's good to have someone here who knows everything.

fucken ayye.

however i will retract my earlier statement and replace it with "most cops don't know f*ck about the law"
this is not to say that you do. or even that many do. infact the percentage is probably very slight.

but there might be one out there.

but hey. do you guys have an internal affairs dept? or is that covered in the showers after your shift?
but i'm serious, you know. i'd love to be the cop that nails bad cops and since i spend a lot of my time and energy doing it anyway...might as well get paid for it ayye?

**Drew** · 3rd August 2012, 18:19

Originally Posted by Mom

No, Bandits also have the same issues, but honestly, I just miss-timed my clutch release while grabbing up a handfull of throttle by accident

Now if only there was a word for such careless mistakes, resulting in something as dangerous as a wheelie. Hmmm, must work on that.

**Edbear** · 3rd August 2012, 18:24

Originally Posted by Drew

Careless use is a shit of charge to defend. Because the argument, "the wheel just came up unexpectedly", proves the charge. 'Careless'.

"I did a quick head check and saw a safe spot to merge into, and as I accelerated the road leveled off more than I had allowed for", might get some sympathy. But if the plod find you on here, and start looking into some of the shit you used to get up to, you're fucked mate.

"Yes your honour, I accept that I may have been careless. I have enrolled in a defensive driving course, and a rider training day to ensure it doesn't happen again", is your best bet.

You're not making it very easy to argue with you!

**jrandom** · 3rd August 2012, 18:33

Originally Posted by Drew

"Yes your honour, I accept that I may have been careless. I have enrolled in a defensive driving course, and a rider training day to ensure it doesn't happen again", is your best bet.

Yeah, but he's still going to enter a conviction, isn't he? You might save a couple hundy in fines, but I think the conviction on the record is what MR's probably most worried about.

And in that respect, I think he's fuuuuuuuuuu...

**Mom** · 3rd August 2012, 18:38

Originally Posted by Drew

Now if only there was a word for such careless mistakes, resulting in something as dangerous as a wheelie. Hmmm, must work on that.

I know, WTF? I am a total nana (though I do have a few points) and it still friggen happens, I considered blaming men-at-pause for a lapse in concentration, not sure how that would work for you though