Drug busts!

[schrodingers cat]

my point here is that y'all should be incensed at the frivolous waste, on the sweat of your back, occuring.

You fucking twerp. We're not part of 'your' society and therefore not very interested in what you think we should be INCENSED at.
You've stated your position at every opportunity so don't be surprised that the 'sheeple' ignore you

a shame that doesn't stop you from being a cock.

Is your short term memory that poor? He's got you on ignore knobrot. (Just saying)

[schrodingers cat]

That might be the best post I have seen you put together.

Give him 2 seconds to contradict himself...

[SMOKEU]

Some good points there.

However there would have been quite a lot of people that have died as a result of smoking cannabis AND trying to operate a car/bike etc at the same time.

Just have a look at the findings that come out of coroners inquests time and time again, quite often alcohol is involved as well

That means fuck all. Cannabis is detectable in the bloodstream for up to several weeks after ingestion. Any evidence to prove that the user was currently under the influence at the time of the accident is purely circumstantial at best.

I never said that everyone should sesh up and drive, I was meaning that cannabis does not DIRECTLY cause death. It does not cause stress to any organ in the way that alcohol, paracetamol, caffeine, or most prescription medicine causes.

[FJRider]

Cops don't have a choice of which laws they enforce

They do actually ... it's called descretion.

Law enforcement is only part of the job Police do. Maintaining order in our society, is the job most don't often see them doing. Sorting out the problems of those that can't do it themselves ...(and often abused for it)

[Drew]

How many people have died as a direct cause from smoking cannabis, in the whole world, ever? ZERO.

Nope, that dog won't hunt. There is something stupid like 7 times the tar in a rolled joint, as there is in a rolled tobaco cigarette. I bet a million bucks that at least one pot smoker has died of cancer, who wouldn't have died had they not smoked.

I also argue that the people did not die directly relative to the bike, before you try and argue that. They were on a bike when things went tits up, but it is not the cause of the bike.

I didn't read any further, there was no point.

[SMOKEU]

Give him 2 seconds to contradict himself...

I'll leave you to make a rather lame attempt to disrepute my post with heresay and speculation. Go ahead, you know you want to.

[Drew]

I was meaning that cannabis does not DIRECTLY cause death.

Give him 2 seconds to contradict himself...

And there he goes, because motorcycles do not directly cause death either. They do not control themselves.

[oneofsix]

Some good points there.

However there would have been quite a lot of people that have died as a result of smoking cannabis AND trying to operate a car/bike etc at the same time.

Just have a look at the findings that come out of coroners inquests time and time again, quite often alcohol is involved as well but cannabis does alter your reaction times/judgment.

Thats why I think a middle ground would be a reasonable solution where some forms of control are still in place to prevent people getting stoned and driving/going to work operating machinery etc.

Like I said though cannabis was made illegal by the government many, many years ago now and subsequent governments voted in by a democratic process haven't seen fit to change that law.

Whilst your two posts have made good point you also keep going on about the government and the people as if the people have control over the government. The peoples control and choices around government are very limited. When the present ruling party first took power it was on a promise to not do much so they could attract the voters that wanted to get rid of the previous government. Their current term was secured on much the same fear of the other choice even though it seems most people voting for them didn't want their major plank of asset sales. Once in the people do not have control of the government on major issues never mind issues that don't directly affect them and the choice of who they vote for every 3 years is, sadly, between bad and worse, not good and better. The peoples say on the laws are in which ones they support the police in enforcing, murder robbery etc, and which ones they ignore, break or support the so called criminals on, do you give your donut vouchers to the radar gun operator or the red light policer is how you chose.

[marmel]

So pretty much what I was saying in my previous rant is TAKE A GOOD FUCKING LOOK AT YOURSELF BEFORE YOU JUDGE OTHERS. That's all I ask.

Yep I agree with you there but coming back to the original subject matter raised by the OP cops don't get to pick and choose who they judge or what laws to uphold and blaming them for drug busts (economical or not) that the public and government expect them to do is pointless.

[marmel]

Whilst your two posts have made good point you also keep going on about the government and the people as if the people have control over the government. The peoples control and choices around government are very limited. When the present ruling party first took power it was on a promise to not do much so they could attract the voters that wanted to get rid of the previous government. Their current term was secured on much the same fear of the other choice even though it seems most people voting for them didn't want their major plank of asset sales. Once in the people do not have control of the government on major issues never mind issues that don't directly affect them and the choice of who they vote for every 3 years is, sadly, between bad and worse, not good and better. The peoples say on the laws are in which ones they support the police in enforcing, murder robbery etc, and which ones they ignore, break or support the so called criminals on, do you give your donut vouchers to the radar gun operator or the red light policer is how you chose.

I accept what you are saying and one thing everybody would agree on is that there are things they would like them to do differently including myself.

The point I am making is that blaming police for current cannabis laws has been done to death time and time again on every internet forum I have been a part of and as well as showing a lack of imagination and originality also shows a complete ignorance of how laws are created and policed.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I accept what you are saying and one thing everybody would agree on is that there are things they would like them to do differently including myself.

The point I am making is that blaming police for current cannabis laws has been done to death time and time again on every internet forum I have been a part of and as well as showing a lack of imagination and originality also shows a complete ignorance of how laws are created and policed.

I disagree. Change is bought about by incessant efforts to be heard... not by shrugging and ignoring issues. Are you a shrugger who grasps his ankles on command?

[oneofsix]

I accept what you are saying and one thing everybody would agree on is that there are things they would like them to do differently including myself.

The point I am making is that blaming police for current cannabis laws has been done to death time and time again on every internet forum I have been a part of and as well as showing a lack of imagination and originality also shows a complete ignorance of how laws are created and policed.

No I it is more a case of the police being the front men, the most visible aspect of the law. Every time the police are mentioned they aren't being blamed for making the laws. If you are to talk about what a waste of money enforcing the cannabis laws are then very likely you are going to refer to it in terms of police budget, time and effort, not government.

If you read a bit deeper you will also come across those that will argue that the government, regardless of ruling party, is not answering to the people of their country as they were elected to do, but instead to other global players. Got to have a conspiracy theory.

[marmel]

I disagree. Change is bought about by incessant efforts to be heard... not by shrugging and ignoring issues. Are you a shrugger who grasps his ankles on command?

Yeah but you have to make yourself heard in the right arena. Complianing about a bunch of people who can't change the law if they wanted to doesn't really help as far as I can tell.

Why not spend the time emailing members of parliament or doing something useful if you are really passionate about effecting change?

Like I said before I suspect it is because moaning about police who are a highly visible target is easy, trying to bring about real change is very hard.

[marmel]

No I it is more a case of the police being the front men, the most visible aspect of the law. Every time the police are mentioned they aren't being blamed for making the laws. If you are to talk about what a waste of money enforcing the cannabis laws are then very likely you are going to refer to it in terms of police budget, time and effort, not government.

If you read a bit deeper you will also come across those that will argue that the government, regardless of ruling party, is not answering to the people of their country as they were elected to do, but instead to other global players. Got to have a conspiracy theory.

Please don't mention chem trails, please...

[flyingcrocodile46]

Yeah but you have to make yourself heard in the right arena. Complianing about a bunch of people who can't change the law if they wanted to doesn't really help as far as I can tell.

Why not spend the time emailing members of parliament or doing something useful if you are really passionate about effecting change?

Like I said before I suspect it is because moaning about police who are a highly visible target is easy, trying to bring about real change is very hard.

You don't know much about marketing or politics do you? One voice talking to itself (solitary emails ignored) isn't nearly as effective as tens of thousands of voters sending in indications of what they believe in and would vote for.